Rmpr 8,977 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Restricting guns wont solve all the problem. It will certainly help, but the massacres will continue (maybe on a slower pace).Drugs are illegal and it doesnt stop people from getting to it. Guns are illegal past .40mm in Brazil and a 18 year old boy knows how to get one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Restricting guns wont solve all the problem. It will certainly help, but the massacres will continue (maybe on a slower pace).Drugs are illegal and it doesnt stop people from getting to it. Guns are illegal past .40mm in Brazil and a 18 year old boy knows how to get one...Tbf I doubt people would start organizing massacres as often with knives, baseball bats or whatnot. You would be apprehended much quicker and you could kill far less than with a gun. Plus those cunts also usually kill themselves after doing it, it would be difficult to stab yourself or whatnot, shooting others and yourself is the easiest and most cowardly way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Tbf I doubt people would start organizing massacres as often with knives, baseball bats or whatnot. You would be apprehended much quicker and you could kill far less than with a gun. Plus those cunts also usually kill themselves after doing it, it would be difficult to stab yourself or whatnot, shooting others and yourself is the easiest and most cowardly way to do it.WTF? They will still use guns...What I was saying is that making guns illegal just for the sake of it wont help. USA Goverment really needs to want to ban it, otherwise it will be only for media praise.Example: Drugs are illegal, but there is no real control (since it is highly profitable) and anyone can get it. I bet everyone who is in Collge knows someone who sells it.Example 2: Brazil does not allow that civilians carry guns, but it is not difficult to obtain/buy one illegally. Even though, we dont have the same shooting scandals as USA (although we do have a lot of homicides).I believe it is a cultural issue, a lot needs to be done and changed for us to get into a slightly safe society. Gun restriction is an important aspect of it, but dont fool yourselfs thinking it will stop it or prevent people from getting their hands into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyflashman 187 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 WTF? They will still use guns...What I was saying is that making guns illegal just for the sake of it wont help. USA Goverment really needs to want to ban it, otherwise it will be only for media praise.Example: Drugs are illegal, but there is no real control (since it is highly profitable) and anyone can get it. I bet everyone who is in Collge knows someone who sells it.Example 2: Brazil does not allow that civilians carry guns, but it is not difficult to obtain/buy one illegally. Even though, we dont have the same shooting scandals as USA (although we do have a lot of homicides).I believe it is a cultural issue, I agree with the cultural issue part. I for one think it is sheer lunacy to still have CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION over your right to have a gun. That is absurd. However I do feel that simply making them illegal won't help. There's no clear or easy explanation for why this happens in the US this frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Apparently his name is ryan lanza but, they got the wrong facebook account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Rmpr" data-cid="562208" data-time="1355515539"><p> <br />WTF? They will still use guns...<br /> <br />What I was saying is that making guns illegal just for the sake of it wont help. USA Goverment really needs to want to ban it, otherwise it will be only for media praise.<br /> <br />Example: Drugs are illegal, but there is no real control (since it is highly profitable) and anyone can get it. I bet everyone who is in Collge knows someone who sells it.<br /> <br />Example 2: Brazil does not allow that civilians carry guns, but it is not difficult to obtain/buy one illegally. Even though, we dont have the same shooting scandals as USA (although we do have a lot of homicides).<br /> <br />I believe it is a cultural issue, a lot needs to be done and changed for us to get into a slightly safe society. Gun restriction is an important aspect of it, but dont fool yourselfs thinking it will stop it or prevent people from getting their hands into it.</p></blockquote>True, but it's better than doing nothing. You can't say for sure that it wouldn't prevent at least one massacre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 True, but it's better than doing nothing. You can't say for sure that it wouldn't prevent at least one massacre.I agree!I am in favour of doing so and I believe it would prevent some of the shooting (specially the ones done by teenagers, aka: Columbine), but it isnt enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Rmpr" data-cid="562215" data-time="1355516237"><p> <br />I agree!<br /> <br />I am in favour of doing so and I believe it would prevent some of the shooting (specially the ones done by teenagers, aka: Columbine), but it isnt enough.</p></blockquote>I ♥ u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Restricting guns wont solve all the problem. It will certainly help, but the massacres will continue (maybe on a slower pace).Drugs are illegal and it doesnt stop people from getting to it. Guns are illegal past .40mm in Brazil and a 18 year old boy knows how to get one...Guns are a lot easier to control than drugs. People can make drugs in their backyard or in their kitchen. Do you know people who grow their own weed? I do. Making a gun and bullets is extremely difficult. You need them to be manufactured The US will never ban guns, but the easy access of people to guns IS the problem. They just don't want to admit it. I hate how the media covers this stuff. It's always "victims and heroes", personal interest stories, rather than any serious discussion as to why this happens so frequently in the US. The distance from Toronto to the States is about 100 miles, but sometimes it feels like we're oceans apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramzi 233 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 How weak minded does someone have to be to attack children, what a bitch, GODDD this pisses me off so much, the schools was K-5 so it was children who were 5-10 years of age. The sad thing is I can't think of anything to do to stop stuff like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Guns are a lot easier to control than drugs. People can make drugs in their backyard or in their kitchen. Do you know people who grow their own weed? I do. Making a gun and bullets is extremely difficult. You need them to be manufactured The US will never ban guns, but the easy access of people to guns IS the problem. They just don't want to admit it. I hate how the media covers this stuff. It's always "victims and heroes", personal interest stories, rather than any serious discussion as to why this happens so frequently in the US. The distance from Toronto to the States is about 100 miles, but sometimes it feels like we're oceans apart. Easy access to guns is ONE of the problems, not THE problem. I reckon it is a big one, but not THE one.Like I said previously, if someone really wants a gun, one will be able to get it. I know it will be harder and it will prevent a lot of deaths (not just from big shootings), but we will still see those sad news if this would be the only change to be done.It is easier to control the fabrication of the guns (in comparisson with drugs), but it is not close to easy to control its distribution. If USA decides it will ban guns to general people, it will not do anything to prevent belic brands to manufacture weapons (I would be extremely suprised if they do). Anyone wanting a gun would have to buy it by illicit means, but they would still get it. In the end, it will improve safety by a mile, but it wont be all flowers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Someone's getting his arse sued: http://thecontributor.com/cnn-huffington-post-slate-report-wrong-facebook-page-alleged-ct-killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Changes were made after Dunblane surley time to make changes over there even if small ones...I guess harder as its such a big country with so many different states but still something needs to be done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetsajCFC 1,255 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Jesus, rest in peace.. sickening incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramzi 233 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 His mother was a teacher at the school,he killed her..... also his brother was found dead in Hoboken, New Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo 1,729 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Easy access to guns is ONE of the problems, not THE problem. I reckon it is a big one, but not THE one.Like I said previously, if someone really wants a gun, one will be able to get it. I know it will be harder and it will prevent a lot of deaths (not just from big shootings), but we will still see those sad news if this would be the only change to be done.It is easier to control the fabrication of the guns (in comparisson with drugs), but it is not close to easy to control its distribution. If USA decides it will ban guns to general people, it will not do anything to prevent belic brands to manufacture weapons (I would be extremely suprised if they do). Anyone wanting a gun would have to buy it by illicit means, but they would still get it. In the end, it will improve safety by a mile, but it wont be all flowers! At this rate I don't see how banning guns won't be beneficial in some way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 our society is more violent now .. The world I mean not just UK and USA ... Look at films and TV ,,,so much gratuitous violence ..video games ..drug and alcohol abuse all make their contribution . That and an increasingly easy access to weapons is a recipe for disaster . The problem is only goingto get worse ,, on this issue I find it hard to be optimistic. My thoughts now are for that devastated community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 our society is more violent now .. The world I mean not just UK and USA ... Look at films and TV ,,,so much gratuitous violence ..video games ..drug and alcohol abuse all make their contribution . That and an increasingly easy access to weapons is a recipe for disaster . The problem is only goingto get worse ,, on this issue I find it hard to be optimistic. My thoughts now are for that devastated community.I know you said it all contributes, but i cannot honestly see the problem being that much worse and i honestly don't think that the blame can fall on films tv and video games etc. If someone decides they want to do something that like that then there is something seriously wrong with them that cannot be blamed on them playing to much Grand theft auto. Maybe the restrictions on these game should be greater and there should be greater limitations on when you can play them, but watching die hard too many times can hardly be blamed for the lunatics running riot in society imo. Alcohol, Drugs and access to weapons are obviously big factors especailly the latter 2, and steps definitely need to be taken. But blaming it on film and TV seems to be an easy way out for a huge problem that is acting like a bit of an elephant in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 “Why does a tragedy like 9/11 change everything about air travel, but numerous gun massacres CHANGE NOTHING?”—Justine Bateman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Ramzi" data-cid="562240" data-time="1355519455"><p>His mother was a teacher at the school,he killed her..... also his brother was found dead in Hoboken, New Jersey.</p></blockquote>I'm going on a limb and say that he was a mentally disturbed guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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