Guest justin_3d Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I think that you missed the point of my post.I am supporting Torres all the way and i know that we need him.This attitude i have is not only towards Torres but towards all the footballers.I just find it really hard to feel sorry for them for such ridiculous reasons when they earn millions and at the same time people are starving to death.Stop treating them like they are the victims of this world.Like Jose once said : "Pressure? What pressure? Pressure is millions of parents around the world with no money to feed their children. There is no pressure in football."That's my point.That's very true what Mourinho said.One of the very few things i agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast 85 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 You guys are just to much obsessed with Torres....just live him alone....discuss about something else than him..talk about Drogba perhaps...he didn't score in these games as well...and no one says anything...so just shut up with Torres, you are pis*** me off.... He is our player, and will be in next few years, so respect that...Torres cost double of what Drogba cost and Drog has always scored goals and he doesn't get coaches sacked for his poor form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I think that you missed the point of my post.I am supporting Torres all the way and i know that we need him.This attitude i have is not only towards Torres but towards all the footballers.I just find it really hard to feel sorry for them for such ridiculous reasons when they earn millions and at the same time people are starving to death.Stop treating them like they are the victims of this world.Like Jose once said : "Pressure? What pressure? Pressure is millions of parents around the world with no money to feed their children. There is no pressure in football."That's my point. joses quote is completely irrelevant as normal life cannot be compared to football. Tell managers who have had heart attacks and had to be strapped to heart machines to monitor them that there is no pressure in football. Its very easy to say he gets 170,000 a week for kicking a ball how can he feel pressure, ive played in front of small crowds before and got paid nothing and felt pressure never mind playing in front of tens of thousands of people in a stadium and millions in a world wide television audience. Of course he can feel pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I do believe its too early to discard Torres. We paid 50m for him, so the club must support him as long as we can.To other side, confidence is not an excuse. If he lacks confidence its his fault, its a problem that only he can solve, if he fail to do that, he is to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Nevin 24 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 There were more reasons behind Ancellotti's sacking than Torres' poor form (not saying the sacking was a good thing), but I guess it's difficult to avoid being influenced by the endless bile spouted by the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 That's why i couldh't see Sturridge being out of form for to long, he's got a good attitude, he's always honest and he believes in himself, i wouldn't call him big headed though. In his interview's he's down to earth, he will just answer what has been asked, glad to see he stepped up for the free kick, wasn't actually bad either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacika 188 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Torres cost double of what Drogba cost and Drog has always scored goals and he doesn't get coaches sacked for his poor form.Yes, blame Torres for Anceloti sacking....sure sure...now let's blame Torres for global heating a?? B.Jen <3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The most boring topic in the world. So much fucking over-analysis. Keep the faith, we have no other choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If he fails this season then I'm not sure I can offer him my support anymore...gotta admit that he's starting to annoy me now already even though I like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I've kept quiet until now on the whole Torres issue, because I find it an annoying topic, but for me it's very simple. The only way he'll succeed at Chelsea is by changing the way we play. Torres needs space to run into so slow build-up needs to be replaced by (very) direct play. We need a player(s), preferably playing right behind him, who's great at playing the ball quickly behind the opposition defence. I don't see him succeeding in another style of play.If that happens, he'll score at least 20 goals in all competitions. Torres is a pure goal scorer, you don't lose that. The old Torres would for sure be a certainty for more goals but that Torres is gone (well that's what I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodojojo 510 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I've not always agreed with everyone who says Chelsea need more creative and technical players to help Torres. Spain has plenty of those players too. But they play a very methodical possession heavy game and it's the antithesis of Torres' game. He really struggles with the tippy tappy stuff. Ultimately, Benetiz at Liverpool emphasized counter-attacking. Direct and pacey. That's really at the heart of the system that best suits Torres. The issue with Chelsea is that last season it didn't play a pretty possession game. Nor did it play a quick counter-attack style. It was a third style uniquely suited to the long time players already on the team, more about relying on the strength of its players who attacked in slower waves. When successful, it wore opponents down. When it wasn't, it was very turgid play.I think Torres will do a lot better in AVB's style which is a more direct modified version of Spain's game but it still is not the counter attack style that really makes Torres a happy boy. But it's better than the style played in 2010-11. It's a compromise and it's up to him to wring out the best he can offer in this version. He doesn't really have a choice does he? 4-2-3-1 is a familiar formation for him so that's good. The whole knocking it in the box may not be so especially if it's not a really quick movement. It will mean having Torres play a target man in the box and if the opposing defenders have time to track back, it's really difficult for Torres who needs space. I can see this favoring Drogba more. If it's a style that uses width and crosses into the box but a very quick mode and with plenty of balls for Torres to run onto, then it's much better for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin_3d Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I've kept quiet until now on the whole Torres issue, because I find it an annoying topic, but for me it's very simple. The only way he'll succeed at Chelsea is by changing the way we play. Torres needs space to run into so slow build-up needs to be replaced by (very) direct play. We need a player(s), preferably playing right behind him, who's great at playing the ball quickly behind the opposition defence. I don't see him succeeding in another style of play.If that happens, he'll score at least 20 goals in all competitions. Torres is a pure goal scorer, you don't lose that. The old Torres would for sure be a certainty for more goals but that Torres is gone (well that's what I think).A certain Pastore guy might help in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 A certain Pastore guy might help in that?Possibly, hopefully.Even though I don't rate him as highly as a player as many do, Sneijder would probably be the perfect guy to play behind Torres as that's the thing he's absolutely great at. He loves to play balls behind the defence very quickly and is absolutely class at doing so. Though now that I'm thinking about it, Fabregas would be even better. Can't think of a player who's better than him in playing the killer pass, at a very high frequency, in European football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I am already feeling sorry for him for all this bad press he keeps getting.About 90% of your posts in this thread have been bad mouthing Torres. Now all of a sudden you feel sorry for him because of the bad press he gets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 A certain Pastore guy might help in that? i think thats exactly whats needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin_3d Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 About 90% of your posts in this thread have been bad mouthing Torres. Now all of a sudden you feel sorry for him because of the bad press he gets?Yeah pretty much. And that he looks desperate to score a goal, like Torres taking that free kick in the last game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin_3d Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Possibly, hopefully.Even though I don't rate him as highly as a player as many do, Sneijder would probably be the perfect guy to play behind Torres as that's the thing he's absolutely great at. He loves to play balls behind the defence very quickly and is absolutely class at doing so. Though now that I'm thinking about it, Fabregas would be even better. Can't think of a player who's better than him in playing the killer pass, at a very high frequency, in European football.You said:We need a player(s), preferably playing right behind him, who's great at playing the ball quickly behind the opposition defence. I don't see him succeeding in another style of play.I think Pastore can do that role. While I also see Kakuta doing that role in the coming seasons, but i don't think the manager is that crazy to risk it on Kakuta. So Pastore makes sense for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigy91 6 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Was absolutely dire today. Let's hope for some improvements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 You said:I think Pastore can do that role. While I also see Kakuta doing that role in the coming seasons, but i don't think the manager is that crazy to risk it on Kakuta. So Pastore makes sense for now.Yeah that's what I said, doesn't mean Pastore is that player though. You thinking he can be that player doesn't change that but I hope you're right if he joins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Thing is if he hadn't had chances then fair play. he could have bust a gut and got a tap in from Paulo Ferriera. But his attitude is can't be bothered. ALL our strikers who aren't seeing the ball drop deep, collect, create or do something for the team. Drogba always creates for others if things aren't going his way, picks the ball up, powerful. Sturridge comes on and is everywhere, drop deep, pick the ball up and take players on. Torres shows none of the above, no touch, no drive, no goals. He really is grinding me. As much as I want him to do well, I think he will hold us back. I understand people are saying we need to change the way we play, but I don't agree. Look at the goals for Liverpool, not all of them were counter attack, he would collect the ball, take players on, be on the end of crosses. He looks dreadful and literally I would right now bet my bottom dollar ANY of the top 10 teams in the prem, we could take their striker, replace Torres with him and he would give and show more than Torres does.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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