UCL Draw Thread

[The only place to be 11,313]

Money? Maybe if clubs like Marseille/Lille were richer than us they could keep players like Azpilcueta/Hazard? Isn't that evident since PSG's gotten richer they can keep/attract superstar players?

It's not just money. Sportsmen want to play at the top level every week (well most of them do). Very, very few top players have winning the French league on their bucket list.

[Dwight Schrute 114]

Why do the players leave then? Why don't players stay in the French league?

Two reasons: money and better level/exposure/atmosphere of english football in general. For instance, Loic Remy left Marseille (they were fighting for CL back then) to go to QPR , who were fighting not to be relegated down to Championship. He was offered a much better contract.

Then, this is often (not always) a personal progression for the player, like Hazard leaving Lille for Chelsea or Nasri leaving Marseille for Arsenal.

By the way, I have a funny (but useless) anecdote: a few months ago, I just realized I had attended Drogba's first professional game ( Ligue 2 game, only 8, 000 spectators)

when I was a kid. I saw your king play before all of you.

[DrKojo 25]

Sirigu is a good one. Not top goalkeeper but do the job.

Van der Bitch is the weak link of the team. Jallet either is.

Thiago Silva is a monster. The Best against any player.

Alex is damn good. Not fast ? He doesn't need to be fast, is always in the right place on the field.

Maxwell, I really do love this player. Very technical player, very skilled. Good defender. Not that fast but excellent to play in small spaces. Makes good combinations with Ibra and Matuidi on the left side.

Verratti, just super technical. Very good at dribbling and passing. Also very agressive in catching balls in your feet. As good in long balls as short play.

Thiago Motta is the sentinel, the center.Play often with Verrattii. Can play as a defender.

Matuidi is a dog. He's not gonna stop to bite at your legs, and stealing balls and balls. Can play very offensive coming fast from the midfield.

Lavezzi is a worker. Run a lot, take spaces in defender's back, run run run like a bull. Can score...sometimes.

Cavanni is a killer striker, can score anytime. Very good at head shots. Play right winger in defensive phases but play anywhere he wants, left, right, center.

Ibra is above god. Play 9 and 10, as a top striker or as a genius playmaker.

Those players play really like a team.

With a team spirit.strategy and energy.

Some of them are young and inexperienced, but some of them won the CL and played in top clubs.

Sure we just play in Ligue 1. That's a shame, but we can't do anything about, so we suck it up, we deal with it

And they working hard everyday to be the best, to beat team like chelsea and win the CL

I won't say we will defeat you but I sure say we can defeat you

April 2nd le Parc des Princes will burn, we're gonna be the fire, you're gonna be the wood

[Barbara 15,149]

I'm Brazilian and I disagree!

Lucas is not half as good as the "Sao Paulo" fans make out, but he is definitely not a flop...

He is still very raw and in a club that only now is beginning to take shape, but he is hard working and has enough talent to become one of Brazil's best midfielders/fowards (of this generation, of course).

Lucas doesnt deserve to be in the 2014 WC, that's true. But that is because he had a tremendous drop in form once he transitioned to Europe and because he is competing against way more marure players, like Hulk and Willian!

He will never become a Ronaldinho or a Kaka, but I am certain he will do good. He is not only very talented, but he is actually very focused at inproving (which is extremely important, since talent isnt everything).

With time, I'm sure he will change your mind...

I knew you would. Lucas is Denilson 2.0 until he proves me otherwise. Dribbles like Denilson produced means nothing to me... I don't see Lucas becoming much better if any better.

All that flashy makes nothing for me

[Rmpr 8,977]

knew you would. Lucas is Denilson 2.0 until he proves me otherwise. Dribbles like Denilson produced means nothing to me... I don't see Lucas becoming much better if any better.

All that flashy makes nothing for me

Lucas is nothing like Denilson. NOTHING!

Robinho is Denilson 2.0. They both prefered to party first and play next. Improving was never their priority. And even though, they had their few moments of brilliance.

However, Lucas is hard working and has a decent staff behind him. Plus the fact he will miss the World Cup will certainly fire him up. He will definitely improve!

About flashy dribles and everything, I dont get the prejudice you have towards it. I dont see you complaining whenever Hazard or CR7 does it for your teams. It is quite contraditory. As long as they are objective, dribbles are extremely useful and they are what usually break defences appart!

You cant say he is a flop yet, he didnt even have time to do anything. You are jumping the gun way too quickly here...

[Barbara 15,149]

Lucas is nothing like Denilson. NOTHING!

Robinho is Denilson 2.0. They both prefered to party first and play next. Improving was never their priority. And even though, they had their few moments of brilliance.

However, Lucas is hard working and has a decent staff behind him. Plus the fact he will miss the World Cup will certainly fire him up. He will definitely improve!

About flashy dribles and everything, I dont get the prejudice you have towards it. I dont see you complaining whenever Hazard or CR7 does it for your teams. It is quite contraditory. As long as they are objective, dribbles are extremely useful and they are what usually break defences appart!

You cant say he is a flop yet, he didnt even have time to do anything. You are jumping the gun way too quickly here...

Maybe I am, that's just how I feel. He's a terrible decision maker, his vision is limited, he isn't a bright cookie and he's way too selfish. If I believed he could work around those things I'd probably believe he would develop into a top player. I don't. That's why I don't complain about Hazard and Cris also being flashy. Because although Cris is selfish, he's smart, has great vision, amazing finishing (Lucas is not bad or good) and Hazard is about the same (except his flaw is being way too selfless, but that's easier to remedy imo). So the only thing left is how much talent to dribble he has. That's why from time to time we see him doing a Messi-play and it's awesome... but on a everyday basis he dribbles, loses the ball, gives a bad pass (he plays way too often looking down to the pitch and his feet - a capital mistake imo which Oscar is also infected with) or well, does nothing and pass the ball sidewards or backwards... That's why his flashiness does nothing to me. It seems infertile and pointless, counter-productive. I know he isn't a party guy (never thought that was the problem with Denilson, but maybe you have a point) and that he is a hard worker, I just think he's well... how can I put it nicely... hmmm I can't... he's stupid - football wise. If he had the football brains to combine with his talent, he'd be another Ronaldinho in the making imo. Maybe he'll grow smarter, improve his vision, stop being selfish and start making better decisions. I don't believe though. I'd be happy to be proved otherwise (the kid IS hardworking and I value those kind of individuals a lot).

I was praying and hoping he signed for United. Lucas in that United team would make me laugh even harder... though again maybe they wouldn't have signed Mata... who knows.

[NishC300 1,865]

It's not just money. Sportsmen want to play at the top level every week (well most of them do). Very, very few top players have winning the French league on their bucket list.

But the Ligue 1 will rise up in 'priority' if the clubs there get richer and can invest more in.

[BloodIsBlue 291]

April 2nd le Parc des Princes will burn, we're gonna be the fire, you're gonna be the wood

[Tchege 48]

I just can't wait for this match to take place. And I don't have any idea of who will win! If Matic could play I think you would have the upper hand, but as he can't i think it's pretty tied.

IMO the key player in this game is gonna be Hazard. No one knows if VdW will be able to play, if he can't and if Jallet plays, Hazard will destroy our defense in no time. Maybe Blanc will prefer to have marquinhos play instead, it would be wise.

[magiczlatan 15]

Mourinho is the best manager, but the referees will be on our side.

It is harder to buy a world cup than to bribe a ref. Just kidding maybe not!

[Alabama 1,992]

even PSG are getting nervous cos of this tie.......

[Rmpr 8,977]

Maybe I am, that's just how I feel. He's a terrible decision maker, his vision is limited, he isn't a bright cookie and he's way too selfish. If I believed he could work around those things I'd probably believe he would develop into a top player. I don't. That's why I don't complain about Hazard and Cris also being flashy. Because although Cris is selfish, he's smart, has great vision, amazing finishing (Lucas is not bad or good) and Hazard is about the same (except his flaw is being way too selfless, but that's easier to remedy imo). So the only thing left is how much talent to dribble he has. That's why from time to time we see him doing a Messi-play and it's awesome... but on a everyday basis he dribbles, loses the ball, gives a bad pass (he plays way too often looking down to the pitch and his feet - a capital mistake imo which Oscar is also infected with) or well, does nothing and pass the ball sidewards or backwards... That's why his flashiness does nothing to me. It seems infertile and pointless, counter-productive. I know he isn't a party guy (never thought that was the problem with Denilson, but maybe you have a point) and that he is a hard worker, I just think he's well... how can I put it nicely... hmmm I can't... he's stupid - football wise. If he had the football brains to combine with his talent, he'd be another Ronaldinho in the making imo. Maybe he'll grow smarter, improve his vision, stop being selfish and start making better decisions. I don't believe though. I'd be happy to be proved otherwise (the kid IS hardworking and I value those kind of individuals a lot).

I was praying and hoping he signed for United. Lucas in that United team would make me laugh even harder... though again maybe they wouldn't have signed Mata... who knows.

That is actually a good description of his problems/mistakes and, although you have a very pessimistic view, I tend to agree with you!

The difference is I believe he will work around them and improve to become a top quality player. I think he is a very focused individual (unlike Denilson or Robinho) and that will go in his favour.

To be honest, I see a lot of young Robben in him. Lucas, like Arjen, is somewhat selfish and keeps making bad decisions. But they both have loads of talent and work extremely hard, thus creating more upsides than downsides. With a strong and organized team on their side, both can thrive. For instance, look at Robben in Real Madrid that you will see Lucas' same mistakes written all over it; but look at Robben in Bayern and you will see what Moura CAN become...

Dont lose faith in him, Barbara. He may not be World Class, but he definitely not a flop yet!

[Cuadrado 15]

He was 22 when he left united after making 12 appearances in 4 seasons. Pique is an excellent footballer, just a shit defender.

To get back on topic, I think Lucas is a good player. Lots of pace and dribbling ability, but he's not world class. He's not up to the level of players like Hazard, Reus, Robben, Ribery..etc let alone Messi and Ronaldo.

for me Cristiano Ronaldo is overrated, he is not decisive in big games, a lot of goal aganist poor teams and only some tap-ins against Barca, Borussia,Atletico, and Bayern.

he is not a great dribbler, most of the time he is a tap-in striker with some great goals and nothing more.

Madrid would be better without him.

this is a great topic about the overrated Cr7

http://www.goallegacy.net/t14032p180-cristiano-ronaldo-the-most-overrated-player-of-all-time

Messi is from another universe, the best player ever, in the past 15 years I saw only one player destroy the defenses like Messi, Ronaldo Phenomenon (1996-99), but he had the knees of crystal.

For me Hazard(a pure winger) is more decisive player than Cr7(most of the time he is a poacher striker), i don't remeber a perfomance of Cr7, like Hazard vs Bayern.

Hazard could bring Messi, but it will never be as good as Messi.

Lucas also has great potential more than Neymar for me, but its decision making process sucks.

[Cuadrado 15]

I knew you would. Lucas is Denilson 2.0 until he proves me otherwise. Dribbles like Denilson produced means nothing to me... I don't see Lucas becoming much better if any better.

All that flashy makes nothing for me

Denilson can't dribbler nothing, he was a clown.

I've never seen him dribble 2-3-4 players, he was not a dribbler but only a clown, with useless tricks. Greatest clown in football history.

Lucas is a effective dribbler but tactically he is stupid.

Lucas is better than willan, more goals, a lot more assist, more dribbling, more aggresive in defense.

Is not a opinion, is a fact, statistics show that.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Denilson can't dribbler nothing, he was a clown.

I've never seen dribble 2-3-4 players, he was not a dribbler but only a clown. greatest clown ever in football.

Lucas is a effective dribbler but tactically he is stupid.

Lucas is better the willan, more goals, a lot more assist, more dribbling, more aggresive in defense.

Is not a opinion, is a fact, statistics show that.

No and no!

Denilson was one of the best dribblers I've ever seen. Of the Brazilians, I would only put Garrincha (aka. God) in front of him! The problem is that he wasnt effective at all. As Barbara said, he would dribble for the sake of dribbling and never ever did anything useful with it.

Now, sorry, but to say Lucas is better than Willian is pure blasphemy. He may have the potential to be better, but right now Willian is miles ahead of Moura. There is a reason why TWO world champions coaches are picking Willian over Lucas!!!