Barca dressing room after Chelsea 2-2

[NishC300 1,865]

That's what he gets for diving for the pen! Fucking wanker!

Super Chelsea, STILL crushing his dreams!

Poor Fabregas does so well to dive for a pen and the ref does so well but all destroyed by 'the world's best player' HEHEHE!! TAKE THAT U CUNTS!! WE'LL NEVER FORGET 2009!

[NishC300 1,865]

At least we know two do:

We'll never forget the tears of 2005, 2008 and 2009!! TAKE THAT REFEREES AND LUCK U HELD US BACK BUT NOT FOREVER!!!

They're not the only guyz who care about loss. Remember our players in 2009. Cole, Essien , Lampard the looks they had I'll never forget. Drogba and Ballack screaming at that bastard Hennings.

[The Mak 4,459]

At least we know two do:

When was that one of Mata mate? I can't remember. I thought it might've been when he missed the pen in the CL, but he's wearing this season's kit.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I have to say I'm surprised at the amount of spite aimed at the Barca team by some of the 'supporters' in this thread. Or maybe I'm not.

I have nothing but respect and admiration for that Barcelona team, as I do for most of our opponents. Seeing them devastated isn't something that I get off on particularly. I tend to focus on the joy of my own players and support.

Yes I realise I'm no my high horse and all that, but this type of spite and schadenfreude isn't a quality I particularly like. Sorry about the tiny rant but I honestly don't think it reflects well on this club and I hate it when other fans use that picture of John Terry in tears after the CL Final to attack him and us. Giving a shit about your badge is what makes football great.

That's very poetic and everything but I'm sorry to inform you that Platonic morals don't exist in the real world. Success is only pleasurable because it comes on the expense of others, that's why you never see someone celebrate a goal he scored while training alone with no keeper.

Revenge is one of the things that gives most pleasure to humans, it's part of our sadistic side; so is proving everybody wrong. If you don't feel pleasure from watching those Barca players in pain you are either: not a chelsea fan and therefor don;t consider the success your own, or not human, or most probably pretending and lying to yourself first of all.

When was that one of Mata mate? I can't remember. I thought it might've been when he missed the pen in the CL, but he's wearing this season's kit.

After the defeat to Juve.

[Corner 456]

That's very poetic and everything but I'm sorry to inform you that Platonic morals don't exist in the real world. Success is only pleasurable because it comes on the expense of others, that's why you never see someone celebrate a goal he scored while training alone with no keeper.

Revenge is one of the things that gives most pleasure to humans, it's part of our sadistic side; so is proving everybody wrong. If you don't feel pleasure from watching those Barca players in pain you are either: not a chelsea fan and therefor don;t consider the success your own, or not human, or most probably pretending and lying to yourself first of all.

Yes, success is pleasurable because it comes as the expense of others, like you said. But to what extent? You can be a success, feel successful and be full of joy without enjoying watching a bunch of people crying and in pain.

The way I see it: when Drogba scored the equalizing goal against Bayern from that corner, I was ecstatic. And the disappointment on the Bayern players' faces somehow complimented Chelsea's desire to come back from being a goal down. That's normal. During the game, the players are footballers and that's how wee see them and how they see themselves. But as soon as the match is over, they're people. And I would never get a kick out of looking at pictures of people crying and seeing the pain on their faces. That Barcelona team has many players that I admire just as much as Chelsea players, and to see pictures of them in the dressing room like that, no. It's not going to make me feel 'successful'. And that doesn't make me any less of a Chelsea fan. I've cried many times while watching Chelsea games since the age of eight years old. Sometimes because we won, and sometimes because we lost.

Saying someone is not human because they don't feel pleasure while watching those Barca players in pain is just wrong and a ridiculous thing to say. Many things make me feel pleasure, but just because this is not one of them, it makes me no less of a human than you or anyone else.

Now I don't mean to attack you personally or anything like that. I just think that because you feel pride or pleasure while looking at those pictures, it's clouding your judgement. You seem to be offended at the thought that someone else might not feel that way. Maybe it makes you think anyone who doesn't feel that way is less of a Chelsea fan and is insulting your club. So I can understand. But not every true Chelsea fan is going to feel that way while looking at those pictures, and it makes them no less of a fan in my eyes.

Compassion is a major part of sport, and also of being a human being.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Yes, success is pleasurable because it comes as the expense of others, like you said. But to what extent? You can be a success, feel successful and be full of joy without enjoying watching a bunch of people crying and in pain.

The way I see it: when Drogba scored the equalizing goal against Bayern from that corner, I was ecstatic. And the disappointment on the Bayern players' faces somehow complimented Chelsea's desire to come back from being a goal down. That's normal. During the game, the players are footballers and that's how wee see them and how they see themselves. But as soon as the match is over, they're people. And I would never get a kick out of looking at pictures of people crying and seeing the pain on their faces. That Barcelona team has many players that I admire just as much as Chelsea players, and to see pictures of them in the dressing room like that, no. It's not going to make me feel 'successful'. And that doesn't make me any less of a Chelsea fan. I've cried many times while watching Chelsea games since the age of eight years old. Sometimes because we won, and sometimes because we lost.

Saying someone is not human because they don't feel pleasure while watching those Barca players in pain is just wrong and a ridiculous thing to say. Many things make me feel pleasure, but just because this is not one of them, it makes me no less of a human than you or anyone else.

Now I don't mean to attack you personally or anything like that. I just think that because you feel pride or pleasure while looking at those pictures, it's clouding your judgement. You seem to be offended at the thought that someone else might not feel that way. Maybe it makes you think anyone who doesn't feel that way is less of a Chelsea fan and is insulting your club. So I can understand. But not every true Chelsea fan is going to feel that way while looking at those pictures, and it makes them no less of a fan in my eyes.

Compassion is a major part of sport, and also of being a human being.

What does it matter if they are on the pitch or not? Footballers are people, and just like any people who are against you (be it in sport or not) you enjoy their suffering. Your pleasure from Bayern's pain when Drogba scored is the natural instinctive emotion for humans. The "compassion' you feel afterwards is the fear that you would be in their position some day.

I did not mean to offend anyone or question anyone's loyalty to the team; my post was not directed at the barca game or all of football for that matter but general human nature. It was a mix of psychology and philosophy that I really expect very few people to accept but it is my belief.

[The only place to be 11,313]

That's very poetic and everything but I'm sorry to inform you that Platonic morals don't exist in the real world. Success is only pleasurable because it comes on the expense of others, that's why you never see someone celebrate a goal he scored while training alone with no keeper.

Couldn't disagree more, and there is a world of difference between celebrating your own success and glorying in your opponent's defeat.

Revenge is one of the things that gives most pleasure to humans, it's part of our sadistic side; so is proving everybody wrong. If you don't feel pleasure from watching those Barca players in pain you are either: not a chelsea fan and therefor don;t consider the success your own, or not human, or most probably pretending and lying to yourself first of all.

Well I'm definitely a Chelsea fan, and I'm definitely human. I don't think I'm lying to myself either.

I simply think that mocking a worthy opponent after they've been defeated in a fair contest is not sporting. It's one of those things that is best left on the playground as you enter adulthood, although I may be doing a disservice to the many, many children who actually no what sporting etiquette actually is.

Footballers are people, and just like any people who are against you (be it in sport or not) you enjoy their suffering.

Oh......

(slowly backs out the door)

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Couldn't disagree more, and there is a world of difference between celebrating your own success and glorying in your opponent's defeat.

No there isn't because it wouldn't be success if you are beating anyone. If you think otherwise give one example of a success without competition.

I simply think that mocking a worthy opponent after they've been defeated in a fair contest is not sporting. It's one of those things that is best left on the playground as you enter adulthood, although I may be doing a disservice to the many, many children who actually no what sporting etiquette actually is.

Not mocking them, but taking pleasure from their defeat. I know it does not sound 'nice', and that's because humans aren't 'nice'. It is not something that can be explained in a post on a forum. I recommend Freud's illustration on the human's death instinct in "Civilization and it's Discontents" for a proper explanation.

Oh......

(slowly backs out the door)

Didn't expect you to accept my ideas, just wanted to give a different perspective to the matter.

[The only place to be 11,313]

No there isn't because it wouldn't be success if you are beating anyone. If you think otherwise give one example of a success without competition.

You're not really understanding my point. There is a world of difference between celebrating your own success and glorying in another's defeat. There's a certain thing known as sportsmanship and whilst it may not be 'human nature' as prescribed by Freud, there are certain things we do as humans to rise above our base instincts.

It's why in sport we congratulate our opponents or shake hands before a match, despite us wanting them to lose. It's why you have a drink in the bar after a rugby match with some guy who just tried to rip your head off.

It all comes down to class and mocking your opponent after a good contest is classless. That's how I was raised and that's how I've conducted myself throughout ever contest I've competed in be it sporting or otherwise.

That type of thing is what I associate with Chelsea and it's real supporters. The type who can get the train back after a match and have a beer with an opposition supporter.

[Corner 456]

What does it matter if they are on the pitch or not? Footballers are people, and just like any people who are against you (be it in sport or not) you enjoy their suffering. Your pleasure from Bayern's pain when Drogba scored is the natural instinctive emotion for humans. The "compassion' you feel afterwards is the fear that you would be in their position some day.

I did not mean to offend anyone or question anyone's loyalty to the team; my post was not directed at the barca game or all of football for that matter but general human nature. It was a mix of psychology and philosophy that I really expect very few people to accept but it is my belief.

If that's your belief, then fine. You're not offending me by having a contrasting belief. But it's not my belief, and not my outlook on life or human nature.

When I saw the expressions on the Bayern players' faces I was relieved that I wasn't watching the Chelsea players look like that. But that's not compassion. I felt compassion afterwards when I actually relaxed and thought about how they really felt after working so hard to win. True, some people revel in the pain of others if it means they themselves are successful, but not me. Human nature exists and every human shares a lot of things, but not everyone is the same and feels the same emotions.

I admire Barcelona and many of their players, so my feelings of compassion for them were a bit stronger than usual. So it's not easy for me to see those pictures. I certainly don't revel in their pain, whether it is human nature to or not.

[Jase 43,479]

Leo Messi: "There are players here who hate Chelsea more than Real Madrid, I never thought I would hear myself say that."

"I also never thought I would see something worse than the Boca and River Plate rivalry or Brazil v Argentina - but this is.

"We would rather play Arsenal, Manchester United or anyone else than be on the pitch with Chelsea."

Hehe.

Curious, any source for that?

[Kieran. 6,317]

Curious, any source for that?

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11668_2368373,00+en-USS_01DBC.html

[Corner 456]

http://www.skysports...-USS_01DBC.html

Sky Sports really do twist things with their headlines don't they.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.skysports...-USS_01DBC.html

Have seen that before IIRC. It's a fake one.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You're not really understanding my point. There is a world of difference between celebrating your own success and glorying in another's defeat. There's a certain thing known as sportsmanship and whilst it may not be 'human nature' as prescribed by Freud, there are certain things we do as humans to rise above our base instincts.

It's why in sport we congratulate our opponents or shake hands before a match, despite us wanting them to lose. It's why you have a drink in the bar after a rugby match with some guy who just tried to rip your head off.

It all comes down to class and mocking your opponent after a good contest is classless. That's how I was raised and that's how I've conducted myself throughout ever contest I've competed in be it sporting or otherwise.

That type of thing is what I associate with Chelsea and it's real supporters. The type who can get the train back after a match and have a beer with an opposition supporter.

Well you completely missed my whole point. I was talking about emotions and the human psychological system while your post is about sportsmanlike conduct which are conscious actions.

Never mind...just pretend I didn't say anything in the first place..