Financial Fair Play

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

To be honest even though people say City and PSG are cheaters I honestly don't see the big deal.

FFP was mainly put in place to prevent teams borrowing a lot of money and going bust.

Like what happened to Portsmouth.

If PSG and City owners want to inject money and not require it back then for me it should be done.

This is why to an extent I feel like they should allow these deals with themselves.

Free money should be welcome.

What we don't want is to put a financial burden on teams. That is what FFP should be more dealing.

The bit in bold is the problematic part for me. If that was truly so then the FFP regulations would not put a limit on the amount rich donors could give to clubs. The regulations do put a limit on such cash injections however. I therefore think it's reasonable for people to conclude that, whatever the pretended motives behind FFP, its effect is to ring-fence the established clubs and allow them to grab the lion's share of the money and the medals.

Personally I believe in US style rules aimed at achieving competitive balance. I have always argued, for example, that a fixed amount salary cap is one tool that should be imposed. Through repetition, people have learned the knee-jerk reaction that such a cap would be illegal under European law but I've never believed that. I've always felt that if there was a will there would be a way. Now, this season, UEFA have imposed a salary cap so that argument is dead. Unfortunately the established clubs, including Chelsea, don't want a level playing field. They are quite happy the way things are thank you very much. I hope City and PSG run a coach and horses through that plan.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Chelsea transfer news: Jose Mourinho told FFP cash boost could allow him to sign a superstar

Chelsea will have access to an extra £40m in extra FFP cash this summer which makes a move for a big name player like Paul Pogba or even Lionel Messi possible.

He forgot about

1) Champions League money from next season will be about 12-15 millions more each year,

2) Chelsea no longer have to bear about 50 millions loss made in 2012-13 season, since the 2015-16 will start a new monitoring period (if someone doesn't know FFP is accounted in 3years period),

3) Since 2016-17 season it's highway to big spending through 50 millions additional money each year thanks to new Premier League deal. It will practically put to bed all the talks about FFP as long as Chelsea don't increase wages to some exorbitant level

3a) While waiting to get to this almost unlimited spending spree, Chelsea can spend very big this this year by offsetting some of their players, either on loan or currently in the first team. Since 2016-17 it won't be necessary at all to sell in order to buy. Chelsea can spend big this summer without sells or spend very big with a couple of sells.

[dUMB 189]

He forgot about

1) Champions League money from next season will be about 12-15 millions more each year,

2) Chelsea no longer have to bear about 50 millions loss made in 2012-13 season, since the 2015-16 will start a new monitoring period (if someone doesn't know FFP is accounted in 3years period),

3) Since 2016-17 season it's highway to big spending through 50 millions additional money each year thanks to new Premier League deal. It will practically put to bed all the talks about FFP as long as Chelsea don't increase wages to some exorbitant level

3a) While waiting to get to this almost unlimited spending spree, Chelsea can spend very big this this year by offsetting some of their players, either on loan or currently in the first team. Since 2016-17 it won't be necessary at all to sell in order to buy. Chelsea can spend big this summer without sells or spend very big with a couple of sells.

This is great, if its true

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

He forgot about

1) Champions League money from next season will be about 12-15 millions more each year,

2) Chelsea no longer have to bear about 50 millions loss made in 2012-13 season, since the 2015-16 will start a new monitoring period (if someone doesn't know FFP is accounted in 3years period),

3) Since 2016-17 season it's highway to big spending through 50 millions additional money each year thanks to new Premier League deal. It will practically put to bed all the talks about FFP as long as Chelsea don't increase wages to some exorbitant level

3a) While waiting to get to this almost unlimited spending spree, Chelsea can spend very big this this year by offsetting some of their players, either on loan or currently in the first team. Since 2016-17 it won't be necessary at all to sell in order to buy. Chelsea can spend big this summer without sells or spend very big with a couple of sells.

In fact the article does mention the increased Champion's League money as additional to the numbers it outlines but your overall point is still a good one.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Apparently we are 1 billion in debt which is concerning

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

Apparently we are 1 billion in debt which is concerning

In debt to whom? As far as I was aware Chelsea was debt free.

[Polo7 3,496]

Apparently we are 1 billion in debt which is concerning

1 Billion debt. No currency, no link, no information as to whom.....basically its bollocks.

[Jase 43,479]

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

+ 1,5m€ for a win and 0,5m€ for a draw in the group stage.

Uefa has announced new prize money sheet in their European competitions.

Increase is significant in %, however is not so much in actual money.

Lions share from Champions League money is from TV though and rise in that department, especially for English clubs, is very significant.

If someone doesn't know already, there's big diffrence when market pool money is divided between club that finished 1st in their domestic league to the one that finished 4th.

So let's finish 1st to be

a) champions

b ) spread-sheet kings

I calculated that IF UEFA would grow market pool for English clubs as actuall contract has growed (125%), using this new sheet and assuming that Chelsea would play as a domestic champion in next year edition (instead of 3rd) and repeat last year performance, when they reached a semi-final then

total money Chelsea has received from UEFA would grow from that 43,4m€ in 2013/14 season

to very big 94,3m€ in 2015/16 season

(I used last season performance because there isn't data base from current season yet)

I highly doubt that UEFA would be generous enough to grow market pool for England by 125% just like contract with BT has growed, however taking everything conservately and keeping performance to conservative last 16 level, I can safely predict that overall money from UEFA will grow by 20-25m£.

That's another huge help to stay compliant with FFP.

What I want to say, and that's not a joke, Yokohama deal can entirely cover FFP cost of Bale while new prize money from UEFA can cover cost of Pogba ...

[Muzchap 8,966]

That Mirror article on City really raises a few questions....

At least at Chelsea we have a business model and can demonstrate 100% compliance. Buy low, sell high(er)

City have nothing of the sort. A £50 million fine is nothing to them. They have renegotiated half way through the deal.

Unless FFP excludes clubs from CL it will achieve nothing.

[didierforever 7,349]

That Mirror article on City really raises a few questions....

At least at Chelsea we have a business model and can demonstrate 100% compliance. Buy low, sell high(er)

City have nothing of the sort. A £50 million fine is nothing to them. They have renegotiated half way through the deal.

Unless FFP excludes clubs from CL it will achieve nothing.

and that is never going to happen. so in short, FFP is useless.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

+ 1,5m€ for a win and 0,5m€ for a draw in the group stage.

Uefa has announced new prize money sheet in their European competitions.

Increase is significant in %, however is not so much in actual money.

Lions share from Champions League money is from TV though and rise in that department, especially for English clubs, is very significant.

If someone doesn't know already, there's big diffrence when market pool money is divided between club that finished 1st in their domestic league to the one that finished 4th.

So let's finish 1st to be

a) champions

b ) spread-sheet kings

I calculated that IF UEFA would grow market pool for English clubs as actuall contract has growed (125%), using this new sheet and assuming that Chelsea would play as a domestic champion in next year edition (instead of 3rd) and repeat last year performance, when they reached a semi-final then

total money Chelsea has received from UEFA would grow from that 43,4m€ in 2013/14 season

to very big 94,3m€ in 2015/16 season

(I used last season performance because there isn't data base from current season yet)

I highly doubt that UEFA would be generous enough to grow market pool for England by 125% just like contract with BT has growed, however taking everything conservately and keeping performance to conservative last 16 level, I can safely predict that overall money from UEFA will grow by 20-25m£.

That's another huge help to stay compliant with FFP.

What I want to say, and that's not a joke, Yokohama deal can entirely cover FFP cost of Bale while new prize money from UEFA can cover cost of Pogba ...

Agree with points a & b but we need to add that finishing first is necessary: -

c) in order to be one of the top seeds in next season's Champions' League draw. If not we'll be in pot 2 and face the possibility of a much tougher group.

Also agree with your observation about UEFA syphoning off a greater percentage of England's TV rights deal and redistributing it across the continent. While I don't have any real issue with that, I'm all for football's wealth being spread around, I do feel a bit aggrieved about one aspect of it. As I said earlier in the thread, it's English football fans, not English football clubs, who will foot the bill. The clubs will still get a big revenue increase, albeit not as big as it might have been. We fans on the other hand, will just get a bigger bill for our pay TV services.

I don't remember this particular detail from my reading of the announcement but doesn't logic dictate that the prize money for a draw will be €750,000 not €500,000?

Lastly, and I only mention this in case it is helpful to you, where you have used the word growed you should say grown instead. As you know well by now, the English language defies logic and there is in fact no such word as growed.