Oscar

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

I certainly don't think he's been good the past couple of seasons, but I'm not ready to write him off just yet.  I think he's better suited to a no. 8 type role, as opposed to a 10.  He's a much better central midfielder rather than a second striker.

Unless the bid is outrageous, I'd be okay with keeping him, for at least 1 season under Conte.

[Jase 43,479]

28 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I certainly don't think he's been good the past couple of seasons, but I'm not ready to write him off just yet.  I think he's better suited to a no. 8 type role, as opposed to a 10.  He's a much better central midfielder rather than a second striker.

Unless the bid is outrageous, I'd be okay with keeping him, for at least 1 season under Conte.

You may think he's more suited to the no.8 role than no.10 but that still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't shown any improvement and consistency in any way in his 4 years here.

[robsblubot 3,529]

On June 10, 2016 at 0:38 PM, Sideshow Luiz said:

I certainly don't think he's been good the past couple of seasons, but I'm not ready to write him off just yet.  I think he's better suited to a no. 8 type role, as opposed to a 10.  He's a much better central midfielder rather than a second striker.

Unless the bid is outrageous, I'd be okay with keeping him, for at least 1 season under Conte.

He has been wearing the 8 and playing like an 8 for quite some time.

people here have a difficulty with the notion that he is an 8 playing in a more advanced position.

and that Oscar does not fit the mold elf what a true 10 ought to be - something Oscar isn't ironically - does not play or wear 10 for Brazil either btw.

he's been poor, but I think the hate he gets around here has more to do with preferences and the team setup than Oscar himself.

if Oscar is Mikel like why is Mikel a 9mi buy and Oscar north of 20mi? 

[Reddish-Blue 2,354]

1 hour ago, Robguima said:

He has been wearing the 8 and playing like an 8 for quite some time.

people here have a difficulty with the notion that he is an 8 playing in a more advanced position.

and that Oscar does not fit the mold elf what a true 10 ought to be - something Oscar isn't ironically - does not play or wear 10 for Brazil either btw.

he's been poor, but I think the hate he gets around here has more to do with preferences and the team setup than Oscar himself.

He gets hate because he hasn't improved in any facet of his game. 

Oscar is like Mikel, he just doesn't seem interested in becoming a 'better' player, he tries when he feels like it.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

10 hours ago, Robguima said:

He has been wearing the 8 and playing like an 8 for quite some time.

people here have a difficulty with the notion that he is an 8 playing in a more advanced position.

and that Oscar does not fit the mold elf what a true 10 ought to be - something Oscar isn't ironically - does not play or wear 10 for Brazil either btw.

he's been poor, but I think the hate he gets around here has more to do with preferences and the team setup than Oscar himself.

Yeah, an 8 in a system that has no 8.  He's a poor 10, doesn't have the second striker instincts.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

23 hours ago, Jason said:

You may think he's more suited to the no.8 role than no.10 but that still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't shown any improvement and consistency in any way in his 4 years here.

I agree.  I'm almost at the end with him.  1 more season.  I think that Conte can get the most out of him, and if that's not enough, so be it.  

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11 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

He gets hate because he hasn't improved in any facet of his game. 

Oscar is like Mikel, he just doesn't seem interested in becoming a 'better' player, he tries when he feels like it.

Having watched Oscar before he joined us, I can guarantee he dramatically improved his tackling and defending in general.

a lot of players have not improved and we employ some really poor players in certain positions - as in cheap and no other top club would ever play them.

I don't disagree Oscar has been a disappointment - just with the attention he enjoys for that... since it isn't so rare in our squad of pretty average and some really poor players.

Even our good players cannot have a bad season because of our absolute lack of depth.

[Reddish-Blue 2,354]

4 hours ago, Robguima said:

Having watched Oscar before he joined us, I can guarantee he dramatically improved his tackling and defending in general.

a lot of players have not improved and we employ some really poor players in certain positions - as in cheap and no other top club would ever play them.

I don't disagree Oscar has been a disappointment - just with the attention he enjoys for that... since it isn't so rare in our squad of pretty average and some really poor players.

Even our good players cannot have a bad season because of our absolute lack of depth.

The last point you made is basically a catch-22 situation.  You can't have depth if you don't know how to rotate players within the first team.

The title winning season was great, but I feel it kind of 'papered over the cracks' in terms of having a quality XI but not much backup..  

Hopefully Conte can help create some depth within the midfield as we have been lacking quality in that area for a number of seasons.  

[MefiX19 1,092]

Last summer people said the same that he will get better when he will get proper pre-season and good rest in summer. I see same again, people believe that he will get better. No, just stop he will not get better, theres no improvement after 1st season and we need to let him go or we will have another Mikel.

[Jase 43,479]

Guess Allegri is no longer interested in Oscar now that Pjanic is very close to joining Juventus.

[Special Juan 27,439]

Stuck with him it seems.

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On 6/12/2016 at 2:43 AM, MefiX19 said:

Last summer people said the same that he will get better when he will get proper pre-season and good rest in summer. I see same again, people believe that he will get better. No, just stop he will not get better, theres no improvement after 1st season and we need to let him go or we will have another Mikel.

well, not many people would bet on oscar improving and/or delivering this time around, because the trend has been flat or even downward.

Aside from faith, or some important information we don't have (e.g. chronic injury - which would be worse than lack of devel really), it's very unlikely he will turn it around with us. He might have a far better chance of doing so elsewhere in a different environment, perhaps even country. Sometimes players get too comfortable and lose their intensity on the pitch.

I get the comparisons with Mikel, but it goes into my point that some players get undeserved attention, while others get a free pass. Oscar has had MotM performances for us and Brazil - and several for internacional, prior to joining us. Yes, none lately, but other players on the squad have only heard of MotM because it's something unattainable for them.

In my mind I see everything in a competitive way: is this player capable of giving us an edge against the opposition? Some players have, like hazard in the past, given us that edge against any opposition. Others do so in only specific conditions: counter, no pressure, etc. While others never, ever have the ability to win matches. They can fill gaps but don't really give you an edge. I have other issues with Mikel's game that don't belong here.

Perhaps Oscar enjoys so much attention because the expectations on him were so high; to become a player who could give us the edge as Hazard does (did last season).

[LAM09 6,779]

I hope his transfer away from here is imminent.

[Reddish-Blue 2,354]

4 hours ago, LAM09 said:

I hope his transfer away from here is imminent.

He won't be going anywhere as I don't see any clubs being interested in him.

I had hopes that Juventus would sign him...but with the addition of Pjanic, they don't really need another midfielder.

 

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

He won't be going anywhere as I don't see any clubs being interested in him.

I had hopes that Juventus would sign him...but with the addition of Pjanic, they don't really need another midfielder.

 

But what if they sell Pogba?

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

But what if they sell Pogba?

Swap + cash..

[LAM09 6,779]

He won't be going anywhere as I don't see any clubs being interested in him.

I had hopes that Juventus would sign him...but with the addition of Pjanic, they don't really need another midfielder.

 

There's always China. [emoji6]

[Reddish-Blue 2,354]

17 hours ago, Jason said:

But what if they sell Pogba?

If they sell Pogba, they would just splash the cash on a top-class midfielder. 

I just don't see Juventus 'settling' for Oscar.