didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 those stats dont cover every game each player has played for club and countryahhahahahha... again READ.. try it for once. infact i said it is only for BARCA. and each player? i am giving you messi's stat. it is just one player.for barca itself messi has played atleast 30986 minutes, since 08-09 which is almost double of the fake stat that you put forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 ahhahahahha... again READ.. try it for once. infact i said it is only for BARCA. and each player? i am giving you messi's stat. it is just one player.for barca itself messi has played atleast 30986 minutes, since 08-09 which is almost double of the fake stat that you put forth.mine is since 2009 as Oscar didnt play as a pro in 2008. So i think you need to go and do some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 thats right try and squiirm your way out of it, you got caught out, take it on the chin. hahahahha... you really are a joker. that day i took your point, thought about it and stopped debating. it seemed fair enough. pre-season should affect (even though we have our own willian to disprove how much affect a pre-season has).yet, today after i never once even argued about pre-season, you try to butt in and interude your massive nose into a converstation which was completely different from your point. and now i have been caught out... hahahha.. dont you have some other fake stats to put? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 hahahahha... you really are a joker. that day i took your point, thought about it and stopped debating. it seemed fair enough. pre-season should affect (even though we have our own willian to disprove how much affect a pre-season has).yet, today after i never once even argued about pre-season, you try to butt in and interude your massive nose into a converstation which was completely different from your point. and now i have been caught out... hahahha.. dont you have some other fake stats to put?Willian disproves what exactly? Has Willian also not had a pre-season for 4 straight years? thought not.and you say fake stats? coming from the person who got stats from 2008/09 even though Oscar made his pro debut in April 2009, which was a 10 minute cameo.you should start from 2009/10 if you want your fake stats to at least look accurate. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 mine is since 2009 as Oscar didnt play as a pro in 2008. So i think you need to go and do some research.get your stats right bro!!!oscar made 11 appearance for sao paulo.and even if you take it from 2009, messi played 3895 minutes in 08-09 season.. which would mean messi played 27091 minutes since 09. now please tell me where you got your awesome stats from?madeuppacquiaostats.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 get your stats right bro!!!oscar made 11 appearance for sao paulo.and even if you take it from 2009, messi played 3895 minutes in 08-09 season.. which would mean messi played 27091 minutes since 09. now please tell me where you got your awesome stats from?madeuppacquiaostats.com?as i have said already the stats are for every game both have played for club and country since 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Willian disproves what exactly? Has Willian also not had a pre-season for 4 straight years? thought not.and you say fake stats? coming from the person who got stats from 2008/09 even though Oscar made his pro debut in April 2009, which was a 10 minute cameo.you should start from 2009/10 if you want your fake stats to at least look accurate. :confused:hahahha.. i did bro.. i did.. look at the post below yours.. feeling embarassed are you? your post said "since start of oscar's career". do you know what start is? oscar turned pro in 08-09, get it??? how accurate do you stats look. please tell me. :lol:your argument that day was the lack of pre-season last year made oscar lose his form in jan. yet willian had the exact same pre-season as oscar and yet infact found his form in jan. hmmm.. weird!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 as i have said already the stats are for every game both have played for club and country since 2009.so messi has played 16 thousand odds minutes for barca and argentinayet, i have proved that messi has played 27000 odd minutes for barca itself since 09. :lol: :lol:please give me the links to your awesome stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 hahahha.. i did bro.. i did.. look at the post below yours.. feeling embarassed are you? your post said "since start of oscar's career". do you know what start is? oscar turned pro in 08-09, get it??? how accurate do you stats look. please tell me. :lol:your argument that day was the lack of pre-season last year made oscar lose his form in jan. yet willian had the exact same pre-season as oscar and yet infact found his form in jan. hmmm.. weird!!!what??? you are confused, Oscar never once played a pro game in 2008. te Brazilian league ran from May 2009 to December 2009, Oscar made his debut in April 2009. no my arguemnet was Oscar's lack of pre-season for 4 straight years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 what??? you are confused, Oscar never once played a pro game in 2008. te Brazilian league ran from May 2009 to December 2009, Oscar made his debut in April 2009. no my arguemnet was Oscar's lack of pre-season for 4 straight years. http://www.transfermarkt.com/oscar/leistungsdaten/spieler/85314/plus/?saison=2008 :clown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_%28footballer,_born_1991%29"He made his professional debut in 2008." in the first para of "early career".anyways, even if he did not make his pro debut in 08, still tell me the messi stat careers. really want to know where you got those numbers from.oh.. so the pre-season in 12-13 affected oscar's performance in the last season. it gets even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 oh.. so the pre-season in 12-13 affected oscar's performance in the last season. it gets even better.no the lack of pre-season is why Oscar lacks consistency throughout each season. This is not hard to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 no the lack of pre-season is why Oscar lacks consistency throughout each season. This is not hard to understand.no its not and i admit its a fair enough point.but except for 12-13, nothing in oscar's game seemed like it was suffering from lack of fitness, physical conditioning and tiredness. last season, oscar form looked to have taken a dip, not his physical conditioning. look at matic, that was the case of tiredness.then you can look at neymar who also did not have a pre-season and infact was injured and still had a very good season. oscar's second half (infact dec-april) was absolute lack of form. in april he looked good. he looked good against united and he looked very good against arsenal. why? did his form pick up. i think so.and hence i say that his inconsistency barely seems relatable to a pre-season. it seems to be more regarding his own limitations.ps - i am still waiting for messi's playtime stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 considering the fact that juve are demanding 100mil for pogba, nothing is steep.I doubt they want £100m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I doubt they want £100m.Yeah 100M but in Euro's, which is £72M.Raiola said something like that. TheIceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Yeah 100M but in Euro's, which is £72M.Raiola said something like that.I don't think that's a crazy valuation to be honest. He's the best young player around ATM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I don't think that's a crazy valuation to be honest. He's the best young player around ATM.72M is crazy money Barbara and TheIceMan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 72M is crazy moneyFor someone that's 22 and could be deliver for a period of 10 years?I have to strongly disagree. The market has been inflated for several years now, so that has to be taken into consideration as well. JaKstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Fatigue isn't the issue. Ability is.For me his limitations as a footballer are so obvious that your statement shouldn't be seen as controversial at all but a no brainer but for whatever reason, it is. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 It's a cycle.Lionsden posted. didier/stroey likesDidier posts. Lionsden/stroey likesStroey posts. didier/lionsden likes CFC888, Gilvorak, JaKstone and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 It's a cycle.Lionsden posted. didier/stroey likesDidier posts. Lionsden/stroey likesStroey posts. didier/lionsden likesNope, it's a cycle.1) People like U overhype Oscar too much. (After an overall average season)2) People then discuss he wasn't very good, inconsistent etc, away in the second half of the season for 3 seasons in a row.3) Then U guys disagree, saying he was better than Willian bla bla, just check stats! (Which is clearly not true)4) Then the majority here agree he should do better and improve. Or we should just replace him with someone better, if we want to reach the next level (CL winning)5) Then Oscar's crew will defend him with: young age, world class potential, high lights like back heels, freekicks etc.6) And this will trigger people like me, who are not happy with all the praise when he was NOT that good for us for 3 seasons long. And then we will come back with facts: bad games, dropped in big games.7) Then Oscar's crew come with excuses like fatigue (which is true). But refuse to admit he's not good enough for us as all these praise is based on potential. If you guys weren't overhyping him that much, many of us won't be bashing him that much. Praise him when he deserves it, but also criticize him when he deserves it. dimmas, didierforever, Essien19 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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