Special Juan 28,141 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 So we hope and pray he comes good this season, and if he doesn't? He's had enough time to produce and he quite clear hasn't been anywhere near good enough IMO. I want more of Willian in the #10 role and with potentially a new RW plus Cuadrado the issue of losing him isn't as big as people may think. Unionjack and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Only players that are in the "best or top" individually are Hazard and Thibo and Matic.What about Azpi? Our best 1 on 1 defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I don't think our fans should be afraid about selling Oscar unless it's for the Pogba transfer. You forget Mourinho benched Mata because of him, he trusts in the lad. If Oscar fails to deliver next season though them I think all of us would be very disappointed and he could leave in the next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What about Azpi? Our best 1 on 1 defender.Dave is the best 1v1 defender here but in general as a fullback, he is not rated as a top player in his position... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_firstlove 178 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dave is the best 1v1 defender here but in general as a fullback, he is not rated as a top player in his position...He is on top 5 leftback( Marcelo, Alaba, Alba, Kolarov). Luis who is one of top leftback in the 2013-2014 season is on the bench. Tell me who can beat Dave into Chelsea starting XI without my top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 He is on top 5 leftback( Marcelo, Alaba, Alba, Kolarov). Luis who is one of top leftback in the 2013-2014 season is on the bench. Tell me who can beat Dave into Chelsea starting XI without my top 5. Depends what you're looking for in an LB. If a traditional fullback, Azpi all the way. If your wingers are sub par and the fullback is supposed to be a wing back in effect, then no.But Azpi for us is perfect. Oscar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 He is on top 5 leftback( Marcelo, Alaba, Alba, Kolarov). Luis who is one of top leftback in the 2013-2014 season is on the bench. Tell me who can beat Dave into Chelsea starting XI without my top 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxoszLpFdKg TheIceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIceMan 596 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Love to see Gaya here he is so amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_firstlove 178 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxoszLpFdKgGaya, Benat, Kurzawa, Sandro... are young star, not WC. DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Gaya, Benat, Kurzawa, Sandro... are young star, not WC. Dave is only considered world class in london.In Spain, he will never be in the starting 11 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_firstlove 178 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Dave is only considered world class in london.In Spain, he will never be in the starting 11 again.Del Bosque's problem, not Azpilicueta's problem. Cavajal, Juanfran, Benat, Gaya are no better than Azpilicueta.//wait, this is Oscar's theat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Dave is only considered world class in london.In Spain, he will never be in the starting 11 again.That's because Spain use wingbacks rather than traditional fullbacks like Azpi, while Mourinho prefers a more traditional system is free winger defensive fb unless his winger isn't creative enough and/or cannot or does not service the box effectively see Willian and Ivanovic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 That's because Spain use wingbacks rather than traditional fullbacks like Azpi, while Mourinho prefers a more traditional system is free winger defensive fb unless his winger isn't creative enough and/or cannot or does not service the box effectively see Willian and Ivanovic.Most teams have their fullbacks come forward.Munich with alaba, bernat and lahm.PSG with maxwell and even marquinhos goes forward quite a bit.Madrid with marcelo, coentrao and carvaljBarca with alves and albaAtletico does with juanfran and when they had luisJuventus wingbacks in lichestiner and evra.Arsenal with monreal, gibbs and the barcelona kid.City with zableta and clichy/kolaravIS their any big team where the fullbacks are defensive players first outside of here? The Chels, Shakez and Gilvorak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH9h6uB1mMAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iupsSS5AK2MWhat a guy, ridiculous talent & intelligence. He's scored some ridiculous goals over the years. Even last season the QPR & Palace goals were special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Only players that are in the "best or top" individually are Hazard and Thibo and Matic.And Costa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Dave is the best 1v1 defender here but in general as a fullback, he is not rated as a top player in his position...Which shows a double standard in the average football fan.If wingers were judged on both attacking and defensive quality off their game most if not all the names that were considered the best these days wouldn't be there, however at fullback you can be a complete rock defensively but not the best going forward and your name doesn't become a consideration when talking about the best.Infact if anything fullback are more judged on what they offer going forward and if they can run in a straight line, Kyle Walker was talked up as some potential great a few years back, Bosingwa was regarded at one time as one of the best full backs in Europe, neither can defend for shit, it's criminal that Azpi doesn't get the credit he richly deserves, he isn't as bad going forward as made out any way. didierforever, Beepu and pHaRaOn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 When I saw so many unread posts in this thread I thought that had been some development about Oscar.Then I come here to read posts and more posts about Azpilicueta - who is only recognized by Chelsea fans, that much is true. Few people I know have any sort of praise for Dave, unsung hero and all that. Not among the best FB in the world at all for me, but I'm Brazilian, a FB that can only defend or mainly only defend does nothing to me. bethos1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Juventus to step up Oscar interest with official bid - reporthttp://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2015/7/2/8882769/juventus-oscar-paul-pogba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 When I saw so many unread posts in this thread I thought that had been some development about Oscar.Then I come here to read posts and more posts about Azpilicueta - who is only recognized by Chelsea fans, that much is true. Few people I know have any sort of praise for Dave, unsung hero and all that. Not among the best FB in the world at all for me, but I'm Brazilian, a FB that can only defend or mainly only defend does nothing to me.Brazil= home of the attacking fullbacks...Brazil's worse attacking fullback is probably danilo and he is still above average attacking wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 And CostaI wouldn't put costa in the top brackets for strikers. LAM09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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