Eden Hazard

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3 minutes ago, zekinjo said:

Eden’s team and Eden Hazard himself during their interviews. We all know 2 years ago Eden explicitly has said he will stay IF Chelsea shows ambition and bring better players. What people missing is how Hazard successfully avoided contract talks for the past two years now, what Kristof has mentioned in his reply. Anyway it’s decided now and all will hear soon.

I guess if we're being honest, we kinda knew he was going to leave for Madrid at some point the second he joined us. It's just maybe a surprise that it's taken 7 years for that to happen. 

[Pizy 18,888]

Looks quite embarrassing for the club to have made Eden the star of the new media campaign. Face of the new kit launch, plastered all over the outside of the Bridge in the new kit, etc.

They've known he wants out for a while. Hell, so did he so I wonder why he'd agree to do it.

[LAM09 7,043]

I guess if we're being honest, we kinda knew he was going to leave for Madrid at some point the second he joined us. It's just maybe a surprise that it's taken 7 years for that to happen. 

I'm sure Zidane returning is the deciding factor now. He wouldn't be pushing the transfer had Mou or Conte been appointed.

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Just now, LAM09 said:

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

I guess if we're being honest, we kinda knew he was going to leave for Madrid at some point the second he joined us. It's just maybe a surprise that it's taken 7 years for that to happen. 

I'm sure Zidane returning is the deciding factor now. He wouldn't be pushing the transfer had Mou or Conte been appointed.

Nah. Think he would still want to leave regardless, IMO. He's just desperate to play for Real Madrid. 

[LAM09 7,043]

Nah. Think he would still want to leave regardless, IMO. He's just desperate to play for Real Madrid. 

I just don't get this stance with players nowadays. Real have become at more notable force in Europe again, but just look at their league position in the last decade.

There are certainly other clubs that are more appealing/more likely to offer a threat on all fronts next season. Real throwing money at a wall doesn't guarantee much.

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Just now, LAM09 said:

I just don't get this stance with players nowadays. Real have become at more notable force in Europe again, but just look at their league position in the last decade.

There are certainly other clubs that are more appealing/more likely to offer a threat on all fronts next season. Real throwing money at a wall doesn't guarantee much.

Honestly, I think a big part of the appeal for Hazard is the fact that he won't have to shoulder so much of the load anymore. It won't have to be "give it to Hazard and hope for some magic." Life will be much easier for him there. He'll finally be surrounded by players of his ability and for a side that will show up on the pitch 99% of the time as the vastly superior team.

They'll probably completely refresh their attack this summer and be competing for the Liga title.

[LAM09 7,043]

Honestly, I think a big part of the appeal for Hazard is the fact that he won't have to shoulder so much of the load anymore. It won't have to be "give it to Hazard and hope for some magic." Life will be much easier for him there. He'll finally be surrounded by players of his ability and for a side that will show up on the pitch 99% of the time as the vastly superior team.
They'll probably completely refresh their attack this summer and be competing for the Liga title.

They are buying promising & potential trouble if rumours are to be believe. Going from Pedro & Willian to Lucas & Asensio isn't exactly a notable step up.

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4 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Honestly, I think a big part of the appeal for Hazard is the fact that he won't have to shoulder so much of the load anymore. It won't have to be "give it to Hazard and hope for some magic." Life will be much easier for him there. He'll finally be surrounded by players of his ability and for a side that will show up on the pitch 99% of the time as the vastly superior team.

They'll probably completely refresh their attack this summer and be competing for the Liga title.

Think that might be a reason but not the deal breaker. Those Real Madrid rumors have always been there, even when we were winning league titles and some cups in last 2-4 years. 

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3 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

8 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Honestly, I think a big part of the appeal for Hazard is the fact that he won't have to shoulder so much of the load anymore. It won't have to be "give it to Hazard and hope for some magic." Life will be much easier for him there. He'll finally be surrounded by players of his ability and for a side that will show up on the pitch 99% of the time as the vastly superior team.
They'll probably completely refresh their attack this summer and be competing for the Liga title.

They are buying promising & potential trouble if rumours are to be believe. Going from Pedro & Willian to Lucas & Asensio isn't exactly a notable step up.

Asensio, Bale, Isco, Benzema, Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Ramos, Varane, Carjaval.... Lucas isnt a bad player either hes probably got better end product than Willian. The step up in players around him will be huge. Regardless.

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1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

6 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Honestly, I think a big part of the appeal for Hazard is the fact that he won't have to shoulder so much of the load anymore. It won't have to be "give it to Hazard and hope for some magic." Life will be much easier for him there. He'll finally be surrounded by players of his ability and for a side that will show up on the pitch 99% of the time as the vastly superior team.
They'll probably completely refresh their attack this summer and be competing for the Liga title.

They are buying promising & potential trouble if rumours are to be believe. Going from Pedro & Willian to Lucas & Asensio isn't exactly a notable step up.

He might have won 3 Champions League titles in a row but am really not convinced by Zidane. Madrid were hardly tactically organized during those triumphs and it's hard to tell like how Zidane wanted them to play. Owed a lot to lady luck and individual quality of Ronaldo etc. 

[LAM09 7,043]

Asensio, Bale, Isco, Benzema, Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Ramos, Varane, Carjaval.... Lucas isnt a bad player either hes probably got better end product than Willian. The step up in players around him will be huge. Regardless.

Players either leaving, on the wrong side of 30 or can't buy game time. There are a number of clubs that are more appealing than Real as of now.  

 

 

Half of the Premiership's defenders have better end product than Willian, so that's neither here nor there.

 

 

He might have won 3 Champions League titles in a row but am really not convinced by Zidane. Madrid were hardly tactically organized during those triumphs and it's hard to tell like how Zidane wanted them to play. Owed a lot to lady luck and individual quality of Ronaldo etc. 

 

Me neither. The signs were there long before he left and he was fortunate last year with the CL masking over their torrid league campaign.

 

Too many people think Perez throwing money at the wall with Zidane at the helm will bring success. I could wager us doing better than Madrid, if we have a transfer window & they spend within their means (£250-300m~).

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Asensio, Bale, Isco, Benzema, Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Ramos, Varane, Carjaval.... Lucas isnt a bad player either hes probably got better end product than Willian. The step up in players around him will be huge. Regardless.

Those names you mentioned there, some are already on the wrong side of 30 and some are incredibly inconsistent. They might have more quality than us but they are hardly a genuine top quality side at the moment. 

Gonna be interesting to see if Hazard isn't just a big fish in a small pond and whether he can be consistent week in, week out because we all know what will happen if he isn't.

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3 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Players either leaving, on the wrong side of 30 or can't buy game time. There are a number of clubs that are more appealing than Real as of now.

Half of the Premiership's defenders have better end product than Willian, so that's neither here nor there.
 

Regardless if some of those players leave Real, they will buy big replacements. Especially after the poor season they had after selling Ronaldo and not reinforcing properly. Hazard and Militao are only the first signings and I honestly wouldnt be surprised if they went to push the boat out for Mbappe as well although he would cost probably 300m and or possibly Pogba (strange move unless they can get him really consistent). And even the guys who are wrong side of 30s or near enough, Modric, Benzema, Bale, Ramos, Marcelo all those guys are top top players and much better than what we have here. They still have plenty to contribute in some capacity.

Just now, Jason said:

Those names you mentioned there, some are already on the wrong side of 30 and some are incredibly inconsistent. They might have more quality than us but they are hardly a genuine top quality side at the moment. 

Gonna be interesting to see if Hazard isn't just a big fish in a small pond and whether he can be consistent week in, week out because we all know what will happen if he doesn't.

Again though, theres plenty life in the likes of Modric, Kroos and even Bale if they keep them fit (or dont get rid of them). Benzema is very inconsistent but in terms of a link up striker he is very good and Eden will thrive playing in tandem with him. They will be a lot better next season, they are undoubtedly gonna drop some serious cash this summer. Eden will be more productive I would imagine but hes never gonna score 30 goals a season regardless which is what they need . They arent in good shape this season but they are still a better team than we are in terms of the quality they have in their squad and will probably sign much much better quality players than we will in the summer.

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18 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

23 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Honestly, I think a big part of the appeal for Hazard is the fact that he won't have to shoulder so much of the load anymore. It won't have to be "give it to Hazard and hope for some magic." Life will be much easier for him there. He'll finally be surrounded by players of his ability and for a side that will show up on the pitch 99% of the time as the vastly superior team.
They'll probably completely refresh their attack this summer and be competing for the Liga title.

They are buying promising & potential trouble if rumours are to be believe. Going from Pedro & Willian to Lucas & Asensio isn't exactly a notable step up.

Simply having Marcelo on his flank will be massive for him. Imagine going from Alonso to Marcelo.

If they buy a new striker and a Bale replacement as they're rumored to be doing, opposing teams won't be able to simply focus all their attention on Eden. He has often been marked by 2-3 defenders here because opponents know he was our only true danger.

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Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Again though, theres plenty life in the likes of Modric, Kroos and even Bale if they keep them fit (or dont get rid of them). Benzema is very inconsistent but in terms of a link up striker he is very good and Eden will thrive playing in tandem with him. They will be a lot better next season, they are undoubtedly gonna drop some serious cash this summer. Eden will be more productive I would imagine but hes never gonna score 30 goals a season regardless which is what they need . They arent in good shape this season but they are still a better team than we are in terms of the quality they have in their squad and will probably sign much much better quality players than we will in the summer.

You might be right about Kroos - as he's only 29 - but Modric turns 34 later this year and Zidane has been absolutely doing his best in pretending Bale doesn't exit. Has been leaving him out of games and giving non-committed answers when asked about his future. 

They will splash the cash but there's gonna be a limit to it or otherwise, they will land themselves in FFP trouble - whether that thing is even legit these days is another issue - and it's too easy to say they will get better next year just because of the spending. They will likely get better results but whether they will challenge for the league or Champions League again remain to be seen. Zidane has hardly been pulling any trees since his return.