Stingray 9,441 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The latter - but you did ask.Yeah we simpletons have never heard of motivational managers even though Scolari was doing that same in the nineties - yes he was managing the team I support in Brazil and I was old enough to be cognizant of what he was doing.Gosh this is football not theoretical Physics or philosophy - yes there is some nuance in the game but the skillful pacey tall guy always wins.Yet most still stick with 'he plays like shit, bench him' routine. Excuse me for asking the why question. If you think that's too high brow, it isn't the ipad but your brain that runs like a dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Yet most still stick with 'he plays like shit, bench him' routine. Excuse me for asking the why question. If you think that's too high brow, it isn't the ipad but your brain that runs like a dog.Very hard evidence (the only one that matters) says my brain works just fine thank you. Well, even though you add a bit more flourishing to your posts, you are also sticking with another common routine around here: "either you agree with me or you are too dumb to understand my point."Perhaps we are merely disagreeing with each other; and I still think you are overanalyzing this.Why?! because Hazard's best asset is his dribbling, which is one of the least team-reliant skill in the game. What I see is that he's simply not beating his marker as well as before, nor is he clearing enough distance from his marker once he does. He's also going to the ground more often and more easily than before. So, in my personal opinion, this is down to fitness.Finally, I believe the overall poor fitness of the players is making a good (not great) team (not squad) look really bad at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Very hard evidence (the only one that matters) says my brain works just fine thank you. Well, even though you add a bit more flourishing to your posts, you are sticking with another common routine around here: "either you agree with me or you are too dumb to understand my point."Perhaps we are merely disagreeing with each other; and I still think you are overanalyzing this.Why?! because Hazard's best asset is his dribbling, which is one of the least team-reliant skill in the game. What I see is that he's simply not beating his marker as well as before, nor is he clearing enough distance from his marker once he does. He's also going to the ground more often and more easily than before. Therefore, in my personal opinion, this is down to fitness.Finally, I believe the overall poor fitness of the players is making a good (not great) team (not squad) look really bad at the moment.Actually no, i gave a line of reasoning, you just said I was full of it - which is a variation on the 'you are too dumb to understand my post'. Pot, kettle, black. I do think you hugely underestimate the mental and motivational aspect on players performance. I do have the evidence base to back that up (please try me on that one if you think i'm full of it). Ps: do not refer to 90's trainers going the motivational way. The best research and development on motivation is quite recent. In the 90's people just referred to Maslow (who himself admitted his theory was wrong) or to behaviorism (which dates from the 50's). We do know more now. This was the intention of my input.Ps2: so its just fitness for you? Now that is being truly reductionist in my account. Too simple mate. What about all the others in the team? What about the collective form breakdown? All fitness? Guess it's the team just drinks too much or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Simply put, he isn't right in the head right now, be it because of complacency, lack of balls, bad atmosphere at the club, whatever..... maybe he's also not fit, but surely half the team isn't right in the head, never thought that was in doubt. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Actually no, i gave a line of reasoning, you just said I was full of it - which is a variation on the 'you are too dumb to understand my post'. Pot, kettle, black. I do think you hugely underestimate the mental and motivational aspect on players performance. I do have the evidence base to back that up (please try me on that one if you think i'm full of it). Ps: do not refer to 90's trainers going the motivational way. The best research and development on motivation is quite recent. In the 90's people just referred to Maslow (who himself admitted his theory was wrong) or to behaviorism (which dates from the 50's). We do know more now. This was the intention of my input.Ps2: so its just fitness for you? Now that is being truly reductionist in my account. Too simple mate. What about all the others in the team? What about the collective form breakdown? All fitness? Guess it's the team just drinks too much or something. Fair enough and yet another common routine, incidentally mostly from Belgium supporters, is to look for somewhat external factors to explain hazards poor form.Motivation and confidence are linked with fitness - hard to be confident if you lose every 50/50 ball...Hard NOT to gain confidence if you are stronger, faster, and win every dispute esp when you already possess the complementary technique like hazard does.Slumping after winning silverware is a very common tale - we are just taking it to a whole new level.Btw, "you are full of it" merely says that I completely disagree with what you just wrote no more no less. I am not representing the truth just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Simply put, he isn't right in the head right now, be it because of complacency, lack of balls, bad atmosphere at the club, whatever..... maybe he's also not fit, but surely half the team isn't right in the head, never thought that was in doubt.Exactly, and that is the interesting point. What is it that makes him and many others have a bag of kryptonite in their pants. [emoji106] Blue_Fox_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Eden Hazard's dad happy for Chelsea star to play LESS this season with Euro 2016 upcoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 He is doing a Messi 2013/14, saving himself on purpose for the big internationa tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 He is doing a Messi 2013/14, saving himself on purpose for the big internationa tournament If he keeps up this form they'd be better off benching him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Fair enough and yet another common routine, incidentally mostly from Belgium supporters, is to look for somewhat external factors to explain hazards poor form.Motivation and confidence are linked with fitness - hard to be confident if you lose every 50/50 ball...Hard NOT to gain confidence if you are stronger, faster, and win every dispute esp when you already possess the complementary technique like hazard does.Slumping after winning silverware is a very common tale - we are just taking it to a whole new level.Btw, "you are full of it" merely says that I completely disagree with what you just wrote no more no less. I am not representing the truth just my opinion.It's be nice to have a debate with someone without having to declare them 'full of it', or whatever negative colloquialism, idiom, and jargon a user can use. You could just state 'I disagree with you' as 'you are full of it' is much more aggressive in nature and can be easily misconstrued. I know for a fact that it is very easy to be mistaken on the internet as text can convey ideas and feelings that we may not have intended. We are all adults here (well most of us) and posting like that harms this forum's atmosphere and image. There is no need to say things like that, you can get along and debate without such stuff. Sorry for the lecture, I just feel as a staff member I need to continually hammer in this ethos still it sticks.The same applies to all members, Stingray and his often provocative images included. Blue-in-me-Veins and iseah100 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 It's be nice to have a debate with someone without having to declare them 'full of it', or whatever negative colloquialism, idiom, and jargon a user can use. You could just state 'I disagree with you' as 'you are full of it' is much more aggressive in nature and can be easily misconstrued. I know for a fact that it is very easy to be mistaken on the internet as text can convey ideas and feelings that we may not have intended. We are all adults here (well most of us) and posting like that harms this forum's atmosphere and image. There is no need to say things like that, you can get along and debate without such stuff. Sorry for the lecture, I just feel as a staff member I need to continually hammer in this ethos still it sticks.The same applies to all members, Stingray and his often provocative images included. 'Full of it' ... really?! Sure you guys have bigger fish to fry?! Fair enough though - your rules. I honestly meant just a strong disagreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 'Full of it' ... really?! Sure you guys have bigger fish to fry?! Fair enough though - your rules. I honestly meant just a strong disagreement.Don't make me love you now Robguima robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 'Full of it' ... really?! Sure you guys have bigger fish to fry?! Fair enough though - your rules. I honestly meant just a strong disagreement.I'm not saying that 'full of it' is a particularly bad thing to say, it isn't really but some people can take things the wrong way very quickly. As you probably just experienced! In the context, we are native English speakers so to us it may seem mundane but to someone that knows English as a second, third or even fourth language, it can come off differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I'm not saying that 'full of it' is a particularly bad thing to say, it isn't really but some people can take things the wrong way very quickly. As you probably just experienced! In the context, we are native English speakers so to us it may seem mundane but to someone that knows English as a second, third or even fourth language, it can come off differently.Nah I got your point before - was just pulling your leg.Btw, speak for yourself - English is my second language (Portuguese first), but I do understand the need to speak more formally in certain cases. Americans are very informal even at work, so I've learned to be that way too.Bak to forum etiquette, It's a difficult balance to strike though - you prob wouldn't want people to be too cautious on here. Spike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soofi 32 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Needs to change his penalty taking technique,scored one tonight and missed the next one which was so bad. No power at all and just always hoping the keeper moves first. Johnnyeye, xPetrCechx and King11Didier 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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