Stingray 9,441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Arsenal probably. But than again, wenger loves ramseyPSG i dont know. Bayern, real and barca is a definite noYou remember Eden from the last years here AND the Eden from Lille. The guy had a shit two months (so did the team if you missed it) and had great games in the NT (confidence) and just now against Stoke. How many poty and ypoty did he get since 18?Ow right, every year! As said form versus class. He would be in those teams imo. Just ask Zidane if you want the Real opinion. bethos1, Belgiannutt and Stats 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 A bit better from him today... still need to work on his finish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 You remember Eden from the last years here AND the Eden from Lille. The guy had a shit two months (so did the team if you missed it) and had great games in the NT (confidence) and just now against Stoke.As said form versus class.He would be in those teams imo. Just ask Zidane.Hazard was awesome last year, especially when everyone sucked and he and willian were the only decent outfield players... However, the big 3 have top top players starting and top players on their bench...He would play on those teams, but to start is another thing. Also, zidane is not the manager of any top flight club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 You guys complain he doesn't have good players around him, but he has pedro, cesc, willian , oscar, etc... Two of those were significant ex barca guys and the other 2 are starting for brazil. People complain his teammates don't run off the ball, but hazard rarely runs off the ball as well... If you guys were to say the system sucks, etc, I would agree, but not the other stuff. Euhm i did say the system sucks. The first line in my post. "Problem is that there's no attacking system in place. Everything we do in attack is improvised. Our players simply have no clue what the player with the ball is gonna do."I didn't complain about Pedro, Fabregas, Willian, Oscar. Again i clearly stated in my post which players (Costa, Ramires) i was targeting with the "not on the same wavelenght" "not being on the same wave lenghts. (lack of quality imo (Costa, Ramires))" Oscar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 You guys complain he doesn't have good players around him, but he has pedro, cesc, willian , oscar, etc... Two of those were significant ex barca guys and the other 2 are starting for brazil.Defining 'good players' can be or is very subjective. Those players you named there are decent but good? Not really and using the 'ex Barcelona players, starting for NT' is kinda of a weak argument. Only Pedro was significant for Barcelona (at least till Suarez showed up). Fabregas was in and out of the team. Willian and Oscar starting for Brazil do not mean much, especially when they lack quality players in their ranks. Have to just settle for the next best thing. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Euhm i did say the system sucks. The first line in my post. "Problem is that there's no attacking system in place. Everything we do in attack is improvised. Our players simply have no clue what the player with the ball is gonna do."I didn't complain about Pedro, Fabregas, Willian, Oscar. Again i clearly stated in my post which players (Costa, Ramires) i was targeting with the "not on the same wavelenght" "not being on the same wave lenghts. (lack of quality imo (Costa, Ramires))"Yea. Was talking about people in the thread in general.. So, not directly to u... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,505 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 You guys complain he doesn't have good players around him, but he has pedro, cesc, willian , oscar, etc... Two of those were significant ex barca guys and the other 2 are starting for brazil. People complain his teammates don't run off the ball, but hazard rarely runs off the ball as well... If you guys were to say the system sucks, etc, I would agree, but not the other stuff. So starting for Brazil automatically makes you a good player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Defining 'good players' can be or is very subjective. Those players you named there are decent but good? Not really and using the 'ex Barcelona players, starting for NT' is kinda of a weak argument. Only Pedro was significant for Barcelona (at least before Suarez showed up). Fabregas was in and out of the team. Willian and Oscar starting for Brazil do not mean much, especially when they lack quality players in their ranks. Have to just settle for the next best thing.Pedro and Cesc played enough to be consider significant for both barcelona and Spain. In addition, oscar and willian are both starters on brazil.Brazil compared to old brazil is bad, but brazil vs most of the world is still in brazil's favor. Just because brazil isn't as good as it use to be doesn't mean that they aren't a top team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stingray 9,441 Posted November 7, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted November 7, 2015 Hazard was awesome last year, especially when everyone sucked and he and willian were the only decent outfield players... However, the big 3 have top top players starting and top players on their bench...He would play on those teams, but to start is another thing. Also, zidane is not the manager of any top flight club. Not just last year. Lol. Check the record. ClubLilleLigue 1: 2010–11Coupe de France: 2010–11ChelseaPremier League: 2014–15Football League Cup: 2014–15UEFA Europa League: 2012–13IndividualUNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12UNFP Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year (2): 2008–09, 2009–10UNFP Ligue 1 Team of the Year (3): 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12UNFP Player of the Month (3): March 2010,[273] March 2011,[274] March 2012Premier League Player of the Season (1): 2014–15FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2014–15PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2014–15PFA Young Player of the Year (1): 2013–14PFA Team of the Year (3): 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15ESM Team of the Year: 2014–15[275]Chelsea Player of the Year (2): 2013–14, 2014–15Chelsea Players' Player of the Year (1): 2014–15Bravo Award (1): 2011[19]Come on mate. He would start and get more than a chance. Stats, Muzchap, Belgiannutt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Not just last year. Lol. Check the record.ClubLilleLigue 1: 2010–11Coupe de France: 2010–11ChelseaPremier League: 2014–15Football League Cup: 2014–15UEFA Europa League: 2012–13IndividualUNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12UNFP Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year (2): 2008–09, 2009–10UNFP Ligue 1 Team of the Year (3): 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12UNFP Player of the Month (3): March 2010,[273] March 2011,[274] March 2012Premier League Player of the Season (1): 2014–15FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2014–15PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2014–15PFA Young Player of the Year (1): 2013–14PFA Team of the Year (3): 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15ESM Team of the Year: 2014–15[275]Chelsea Player of the Year (2): 2013–14, 2014–15Chelsea Players' Player of the Year (1): 2014–15Bravo Award (1): 2011[19]Come on mate.Do you want me to wiki mario gotze too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Arsenal probably. But than again, wenger loves ramseyPSG i dont know. Bayern, real and barca is a definite noRibery and Robben are near their end Eden would be a perfect replacement.. Muzchap and DYC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Pedro and Cesc played enough to be consider significant for both barcelona and Spain. So you are using the number of games they play to judge whether they are good or not? That's really clutching at straws. Compare to Pedro, Fabregas hardly had much of an impact or made much of a difference while playing for Barcelona. In addition, oscar and willian are both starters on brazil. Brazil compared to old brazil is bad, but brazil vs most of the world is still in brazil's favor. Again, you're clutching at straws to say Willian and Oscar are good players just because they're starters for Brazil. Anyone who watches them regularly will know they are just decent at best. And you must be confusing yourself regarding this Brazil and the past ones. The current side are nowhere near the quality of the previous teams. You can practically count the number of the really good players they have with one hand. bethos1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Do you want me to wiki mario gotze too? Yes, i just looked it up. UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship Golden Player: 2009[101]UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship Team of the tournament: 2009 [102]Fritz Walter Medal: U17 Gold Medal 2009[103]Fritz Walter Medal: U18 Gold Medal 2010[103]Bundesliga Young Player of the Year: 2010–11kicker Bundesliga Team of the Season: 2010–11, 2012–13Tuttosport Golden Boy: 2011[104]Goal of the Month (Germany): July 2014Silbernes Lorbeerblatt: 2014FIFA World Cup 2014 Man of the Match: vs. GhanaFIFA World Cup 2014 Man of the Match: vs. ArgentinaWhere are the Player of the year awards Eden did every year since 18? He had 2010-2011 young player. Ps:i forgot Eden's u18 stats if you wanna include themPs2: i do not downgrade Gotze, but i think you are downgrading Eden. One of us btw. zolayes, Stats and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 So you are using the number of games they play to judge whether they are good or not? That's really clutching at straws. Compare to Pedro, Fabregas hardly had much of an impact or made much of a difference while playing for Barcelona.Again, you're clutching at straws to say Willian and Oscar are good players just because they're starters for Brazil. Anyone who watches them regularly will know they are just decent at best. And you must be confusing yourself regarding this Brazil and the past ones. The current side are nowhere near the quality of the previous teams. You can practically count the number of the really good players they have with one hand.brazil is still a top 5 side in the world. Just like how Spain, even though they got spanked by a shit holland team is a top 5 side in world. Some positions are lacking for brazil, but not backline and not midfielders. If they were gks and cf you would be totally right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Excellent and showed some real determination after going down (as did most of the team, tbf). My MOTM. Not sure why he doesn't pull the trigger when he has the chance.Confidence (or lack of). Muzchap and Azpinator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,054 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Confidence (or lack of).Possibly, but he wasn't that keen when he was flying last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Yes, i just looked it up.UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship Golden Player: 2009[101]UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship Team of the tournament: 2009 [102]Fritz Walter Medal: U17 Gold Medal 2009[103]Fritz Walter Medal: U18 Gold Medal 2010[103]Bundesliga Young Player of the Year: 2010–11kicker Bundesliga Team of the Season: 2010–11, 2012–13Tuttosport Golden Boy: 2011[104]Goal of the Month (Germany): July 2014Silbernes Lorbeerblatt: 2014FIFA World Cup 2014 Man of the Match: vs. GhanaFIFA World Cup 2014 Man of the Match: vs. ArgentinaWhere are the Player of the year awards Eden did every year since 18? He had 2010-2011 young player.Ps:i forgot Eden's u18 stats if you wanna include themPs2: i do not downgrade Gotze, but i think you are downgrading Eden. One of us btw.I don't think bundesliga actually has an official POTY or TOTY award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Possibly, but he wasn't that keen when he was flying last season.Naturally he is not a selfish player and will more often look for the pass, but this season there is that milli-second hesitation in his decision making and not just in shooting but in dribbling and passing as well. The missed penalty also obviously hasn't helped, but on the bright side he is obviously regaining his physical and mental sharpness. DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herzogian 148 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I don't think bundesliga actually has an official POTY or TOTY award. Jawohl! Fußballer des Jahres, last one to win was De Bruyne. Stingray, zolayes and Stats 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Jawohl! Fußballer des Jahres, last one to win was De Bruyne.That award isn't bundesliga.It's to anyone playin in germany or german international playing abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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