David Luiz

[bushman 2,043]

For the 50m Jose run, call, fax, email to PSG now.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

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Matic, Lampard, Van Ginkel, Ramires, Chalobah + A.N.Other

So this means lamps is staying? I just can't see us letting all of luiz, mikel and lamps in one summer without a PROPER QUALITY replacement.

[The only place to be 11,313]

So this means lamps is staying? I just can't see us letting all of luiz, mikel and lamps in one summer without a PROPER QUALITY replacement.

I hope Lampard stays and I think he's needed at the club right now with Cole almost certainly gone and Cech possibly having a smaller role. Van Ginkel's absence was weirdly unnoticed by most people outside the club, but he could be a real surprise next season.

I think Ramires hangs around because he has a unique skillset. Chalobah has a chance to impress in the summer and I'm hoping he does enough - I'd give him the number 4 shirt right now actually.

I think we'll sign someone else but it won't be a Kroos or Rakitic or Fabregas. Be interesting to see what happens with Pasalic as well. Could go to the World Cup, could get a few weeks training here, could be loaned out. Wouldn't put it past Jose to surprise people and include someone a bit younger next season.

[bushman 2,043]

Frank will sign today or tomorrow, why I honestly do not know, but he will.

Luiz is not needed at all.

[Rekin 835]

Luiz gets a lot of slack, but I think the main problem is the way we play.
Just like any other player, Luiz will fit some formations and tactics better than others. If we look at his perfomances from midfield against top clubs it can be seen that he is at his best when he has a more creative role and the team has more space to run into which he can exploit.
If he played in a team that revolved around possession, and where he is allowed more creative freedom from his deep defensive position, I think he would truly shine and justify a hefty price tag.

Cahill has benefited from the way Mou wants the defence to play as it hides his weaknesses, while it is the other way around for Luiz.

I like Luiz, just as I liked Mata, but what is the point of having a highly valued asset if it is never going to reach its potential under the current boss? Is it not better for everyone if the money received can be used to purchase someone who can actually add to the team on a potentially consistent basis?

As for the midfield issue I consider it a bit of a dilemma. None of Ramires, Lampard or Chalobah is good enough to be first choice next to Matic, neither do they truly complement him perfectly. Van Ginkel is a possibility, but surely there is no knowing where he is capability-wise right now. I trust Mou, and I would be overjoyed if someone like Chalobah or Loftus-Cheek got time in the midfield, but a smart manager never bets too much money on an unproven player unless he has good enough cover (so the debate is whether Ramires, Lampard & Van Ginkel is quality rather than quantity).

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

No one in our squad is worth 50 million so I would take it with my eyes closed regardless of who the bid was for, whether Luiz, Hazard, Oscar, Courtos or even Terry, 50 million is a hell lot of money to turn down

[Reddish-Blue 2,354]

I hope Lampard stays and I think he's needed at the club right now with Cole almost certainly gone and Cech possibly having a smaller role. Van Ginkel's absence was weirdly unnoticed by most people outside the club, but he could be a real surprise next season.

I think Ramires hangs around because he has a unique skillset. Chalobah has a chance to impress in the summer and I'm hoping he does enough - I'd give him the number 4 shirt right now actually.

I think we'll sign someone else but it won't be a Kroos or Rakitic or Fabregas. Be interesting to see what happens with Pasalic as well. Could go to the World Cup, could get a few weeks training here, could be loaned out. Wouldn't put it past Jose to surprise people and include someone a bit younger next season.

From what i've heard, Pasalic is likely to be loaned to an Italian or German club

[bushman 2,043]

No one in our squad is worth 50 million so I would take it with my eyes closed regardless of who the bid was for, whether Luiz, Hazard, Oscar, Courtos or even Terry, 50 million is a hell lot of money to turn down

No one in our squad is worth 50m? Lol.

Hazard is worth much more than 50m.

[haranr 485]

50m so worth it! Bye David.

[haranr 485]

Hazard is worth 100m

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Chelsea have agreed to sell David Luiz to Paris St Germain for a fee which could approach £40million, and may make the shaggy-haired Brazilian the most expensive defender in the world.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10851119/David-Luiz-to-move-to-Paris-Saint-Germain-after-Chelsea-agree-40million-fee.html

[The only place to be 11,313]

Luiz gets a lot of slack, but I think the main problem is the way we play.

Just like any other player, Luiz will fit some formations and tactics better than others. If we look at his perfomances from midfield against top clubs it can be seen that he is at his best when he has a more creative role and the team has more space to run into which he can exploit.

If he played in a team that revolved around possession, and where he is allowed more creative freedom from his deep defensive position, I think he would truly shine and justify a hefty price tag.

Cahill has benefited from the way Mou wants the defence to play as it hides his weaknesses, while it is the other way around for Luiz.

This is the thing about Luiz and arguments that support him - people meander from talking about him as a midfielder and defender too easily. You talk about the way we defend not suiting him but then talk up his performances as a midfielder. When you talk about his 'deep defensive position' do you mean CB or DM?

Are PSG buying a defender or midfielder here?

I think you're right that our system does require defenders to do the basics consistently and that is a problem for Luiz. He'll shine for PSG because the French league is far weaker.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

No one in our squad is worth 50 million so I would take it with my eyes closed regardless of who the bid was for, whether Luiz, Hazard, Oscar, Courtos or even Terry, 50 million is a hell lot of money to turn down

Hazard = 80mil

[bushman 2,043]

To all you tea drinkers:

How reliable is The Telegraph?

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

No one in our squad is worth 50m? Lol.

Hazard is worth much more than 50m.

Hazard can be replaced by a player who is equally good for less than 50 million, Im not sayin his not good but 50 million is no laughing matter,

[The Skipper 20,593]

Hazard can be replaced by a player who is equally good for less than 50 million, Im not sayin his not good but 50 million is no laughing matter,

Please name these players? And don't say Reus because we all know if Reus didn't have that supposed release clause in his contract he'd be going for well over £50m too.

[Rekin 835]

What I meant was that his perfomances against top teams as a midfielder allows him to show of his strengths better than his job in defence has. If he played as a CB in a possession-based team he would be able to act more like a CB-DM hybrid (Think Martinez in the german cup final) and would be allowed more of the freedom that makes him a worthwhile player.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Please name these players? And don't say Reus because we all know if Reus didn't have that supposed release clause in his contract he'd be going for well over £50m too.

Di Maria, Sanchez, Gotze, Mata, Griezmann, Robben just to name a few players who would be below the 50 million range and would give eqaully the same output as Hazard