David Luiz

[Spike 12,049]

I'm hoping that Azpilicueta or Mata can grow into a leader. I don't think Luiz wants to be a leader of the club. I think he sees himself more as the relief, the guy that picks up the team when they are feeling down with a few jokes and generally keeps things all smooth. That in itself is a great thing to able to do but I don't think it lends itself to be a leader. I think leader has to keep a calm head and has to be at least tacticaly competent, they need to be the guy that organises everything from setpiece's to falling back to defend.

If only the calmness and steadiness of Cahill and the bombastic and sociable personality of Luiz could be fused.

[Dion 2,476]

  On 18/12/2012 at 11:59, Spike Spiegel said:

I'm hoping that Azpilicueta or Mata can grow into a leader. I don't think Luiz wants to be a leader of the club. I think he sees himself more as the relief, the guy that picks up the team when they are feeling down with a few jokes and generally keeps things all smooth. That in itself is a great thing to able to do but I don't think it lends itself to be a leader. I think leader has to keep a calm head and has to be at least tacticaly competent, they need to be the guy that organises everything from setpiece's to falling back to defend.

If only the calmness and steadiness of Cahill and the bombastic and sociable personality of Luiz could be fused.

I don't know. Sometimes players like Luiz can become great leaders. If they're able to transmit all that passion and energy to the other players, that is. Luiz lacks some calmness, though. IMHO a leader has to be able to keep his head clear when difficult times come, and I feel Luiz tends to lose control when things are going off, commiting stupid fouls, becoming agressive etc.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

  On 18/12/2012 at 17:43, dionsa said:

I don't know. Sometimes players like Luiz can become great leaders. If they're able to transmit all that passion and energy to the other players, that is. Luiz lacks some calmness, though. IMHO a leader has to be able to keep his head clear when difficult times come, and I feel Luiz tends to lose control when things are going off, commiting stupid fouls, becoming agressive etc.

Did you just describe Terry or Luiz? Terry is a fking great leader yet he isnt the most calm person etc.

[OneMoSalah 8,833]

Luiz has been the most impressive player under Rafa. Fact. Hes come on leaps and bounds under Rafa tbh.

[robsblubot 3,595]

  On 18/12/2012 at 19:39, YouNameIt said:

Did you just describe Terry or Luiz? Terry is a fking great leader yet he isnt the most calm person etc.

Ridiculous IMHO that JT isn't playing for England because "he is not a nice guy."

You can't pick and choose the nice guys and then expect to win titles. You pick the best and handling the players is the manager's job; that's why they make the big bucks.

[Dion 2,476]

  On 18/12/2012 at 19:39, YouNameIt said:

Did you just describe Terry or Luiz? Terry is a fking great leader yet he isnt the most calm person etc.

I was talking about Luiz, haha. But I guess it fits Terry aswell. As I said, it's not uncommon for those kind of players to become great leaders.

[zolayes 14,489]

  On 18/12/2012 at 11:59, Spike Spiegel said:

I'm hoping that Azpilicueta or Mata can grow into a leader. I don't think Luiz wants to be a leader of the club. I think he sees himself more as the relief, the guy that picks up the team when they are feeling down with a few jokes and generally keeps things all smooth. That in itself is a great thing to able to do but I don't think it lends itself to be a leader. I think leader has to keep a calm head and has to be at least tacticaly competent, they need to be the guy that organises everything from setpiece's to falling back to defend.

If only the calmness and steadiness of Cahill and the bombastic and sociable personality of Luiz could be fused.

you reminded me of Dennis Wise and he was a great leader

[Blue Armour 4,369]

  On 18/12/2012 at 11:59, Spike Spiegel said:

I'm hoping that Azpilicueta or Mata can grow into a leader. I don't think Luiz wants to be a leader of the club. I think he sees himself more as the relief, the guy that picks up the team when they are feeling down with a few jokes and generally keeps things all smooth. That in itself is a great thing to able to do but I don't think it lends itself to be a leader. I think leader has to keep a calm head and has to be at least tacticaly competent, they need to be the guy that organises everything from setpiece's to falling back to defend.

If only the calmness and steadiness of Cahill and the bombastic and sociable personality of Luiz could be fused.

He stated that he does want to become one. Can't become a leader unless you want to...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Tbh, I blame Oscar more the goal we conceded tonight. Yes it was very daft to attempt that pass when he was so far out of position, but had we had a proper DM he would have covered for him.

[Corner 456]

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:22, CHOULO19 said:

Tbh, I blame Oscar more the goal we conceded tonight. Yes it was very daft to attempt that pass when he was so far out of position, but had we had a proper DM he would have covered for him.

Good point. But neither Lampard or Oscar are proper DMs so you can only put so much blame on them. I'm also not sure what Ivanovic was doing when Leeds were on the counter for their goal. He got caught ball watching and gave Becchio (spelling?) too much space. Ivanovic baffles me sometimes.

[joshmercury 20]

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:22, CHOULO19 said:

Tbh, I blame Oscar more the goal we conceded tonight. Yes it was very daft to attempt that pass when he was so far out of position, but had we had a proper DM he would have covered for him.

I totally agree I thought he looked good today. You cant complain against him wandering off we were playing leeds not atletico madrid. Someone should have covered him

Btw Ivanovic was absolutely woeful, before he scored.

[joshmercury 20]

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:25, Corner said:

Good point. But neither Lampard or Oscar are proper DMs so you can only put so much blame on them. I'm also not sure what Ivanovic was doing when Leeds were on the counter for their goal. He got caught ball watching and gave Becchio (spelling?) too much space. Ivanovic baffles me sometimes.

someone posted before me

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:25, Corner said:

Good point. But neither Lampard or Oscar are proper DMs so you can only put so much blame on them. I'm also not sure what Ivanovic was doing when Leeds were on the counter for their goal. He got caught ball watching and gave Becchio (spelling?) too much space. Ivanovic baffles me sometimes.

That came out wrong, I don't blame Oscar, because he's playing out of position, just saying that it was his job to cover for Luiz.

As for Iva, he made a lot of mistakes in the first half, this was not one of them. He was doing his job in this scenario which is to go and press the player with the ball so he can't pick out the best pass. However, Oscar who was trying to get back in Luiz's place realized that he won't be able to make it and changed his run midway to press the player with ball. Iva then had to sprint back to cover back where Oscar, as the DM, was supposed to be, but by then he was too late.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:29, joshmercury said:

I totally agree I thought he looked good today. You cant complain against him wandering off we were playing leeds not atletico madrid. Someone should have covered him

Btw Ivanovic was absolutely woeful, before he scored.

Agreed. Luiz was excellent and continued his stunning form under Rafa. And that 30 yard inch-perfect diagonal pass to Hazard on the fourth goal...

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:30, joshmercury said:

someone posted before me

I'll have someone ban him straight away!

[DYC. 7,542]

Don't think those with that typical British mentality will ever like David Luiz.

He played a bad pass in the attacking third, the opposition had so much ground to cover, flawless counter attack btw, and there were enough players at the back (though Oscar switched off). To put all the blame on him for that goal would be ignorant.

[Kojo 4,676]

Look at the first three pages of this thread, it's just amazing how everything turned out within two years, it's like he's gone from being one of the best defenders ever (potentially), to being a liability and should be sold.

[Corner 456]

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:37, CHOULO19 said:

Agreed. Luiz was excellent and continued his stunning form under Rafa. And that 30 yard inch-perfect diagonal pass to Hazard on the fourth goal...

I'll have someone ban him straight away!

Luiz has been by far one of our players lately. Let's hope Barca don't come knocking on our door when Puyol starts to think of retirement in a few years.

Hey! That's not fair to me! I have my rights!

[Corner 456]

  On 19/12/2012 at 22:46, Kojo said:

Look at the first three pages of this thread, it's just amazing how everything turned out within two years, it's like he's gone from being one of the best defenders ever (potentially), to being a liability and should be sold.

Not everyone thinks he should be sold. I think he's one of the best CBs in the world right now to be honest. And let's says Guardiola does come next season, Luiz will flourish under him. He's the perfect type of CB for Guardiola.

Hm, I've said Luiz is one of the best CBs in the world and mentioned Guardiola... all in the same post. (*prepares for the bashing to come*)