David Luiz

[iseah100 5,612]

Of course, this sideshow clown has done nothing special during his stay with Chelsea. Occasionally, he had a good game, but over all a liability on defense, a pretender in the midfield.

If someone thinks he is to be much better just because he will play in partnership with Silva, I would like to see it.

What the fuck? Clown? What is your deal? Don't be disrespectful.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I agree with her and I'm not Brazilian. 3-4 mental lapses a game is just completely overstating it, you're pretending that's the case.

Brazil have the best back four in the world. T. Silva and Luiz are outstanding together so it isn't really an outrageous thing to say.

Ya says you, not me! Attacking wise maybe defensively.... give me a break!

He does have a lot of lapses they don't always lead to scoring chances. His best performances came in the midfield, not in CB.

[The Mak 4,459]

I disagree with this, because Luiz was showing that consistency in the second half of last season (something a lot of people seem to overlook), and also carried on this form into the Confederations Cup for Brazil. He was just very unfortunate when he came back - injured, no real rest over the summer and no pre season whatsoever... That set him back a bit this season because he was well on his way to really establishing himself as a top CB this season.

And when I previously spoke about this, I repeatedly said that Rafa 'making Luiz a better defender' was a myth. If people paid enough attention to his form, Luiz ALWAYS had good form at the end of a season and he ALWAYS started seasons terribly. In that way, yes, he was consistent at being inconsistent. It's like he always needed a number months to adapt to the PL all over again. But every team, not just us, needs a defender who is good for the entire season, not half of it.

It's not that he isn't suited to the PL, it really just depends in what system he plays, as with any player. For example, I think he would've been great at Man City, especially next to Kompany, or maybe even Liverpool or Arsenal. He just isn't as useful in the system that Mourinho implemented. But that happens - same way how JT was barely used by Benitez last year and looked pretty much done as a top CB... It doesn't mean that he suddenly lost it all - just that it took a different system to bring out his strengths again and that's why he's been magnificent in general this time around.

Yes, if by 'system' you mean teams that are attacking 'top heavy', play attractive football and win next to nothing? All of those teams are heavily reliant on blowing teams away with their attacking prowess or possession based football. However, their defending always leaves something to be desired - their unbalance is what stops them from challenging on all fronts and that is why these sorts or teams will rarely dominate in the PL.

- City's defence aren't reliable and can't defend without Kompany - they are the exception rather than the rule, they can get away with it because of the amount of quality strikers they can 'afford' (by breaking FFP). However, they can't even buy a spot in the late stages of the CL and won the PL because we and Liverpool threw it away. Hardly convincing.

- Arsenal are too reliant on possession football, leave too much space in behind, get slaughtered on the counter-attack and won 1 trophy in 9 years.

- Liverpool play great football, but simply can't defend for their lives.

Yes, Luiz would probably look fantastic in these teams, but he'd win very little. However, he'll win a lot with the likes of PSG, Munich, Barca domestically because their leagues are so terrible, but when it comes to Europe, these very exploitable weaknesses would still exist.

Mourinho is trying to build a team with no such weaknesses, and he's starting by getting a reliable defence.

[bushman 2,043]

What the fuck? Clown? What is your deal? Don't be disrespectful.

Never had any respect for him.

[iseah100 5,612]

Never had any respect for him.

Wtf? And who the fuck are you? A keyboard warrior? Go do something productive instead of of hating and insulting one of the most loved players in Chelsea history.

[bushman 2,043]

Wtf? And who the fuck are you? A keyboard warrior? Go do something productive instead of of hating and insulting one of the most loved players in Chelsea history.

My choice, not yours.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Wtf? And who the fuck are you? A keyboard warrior? Go do something productive instead of of hating and insulting one of the most loved players in Chelsea history.

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[The_Flash 1,144]

As I said when we were in the megastore at the bridge they were practically giving away the Mata stuff I can see them marking down the Luiz stuff as we speak :/

[bushman 2,043]

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Perhaps, he was one of those who thought sideshow Bob could become Chelsea´s captain?

[Starman60 1,343]

Sorry to break it to you but it's 50 million Euros!

So that in pounds is like 40 something million. Which is still really good.

The banner on this page says "In the region of £50 million. But hey, like you say whichever it is it's good money and if its £50 million we really are quids in !!

[YouNameIt 1,511]

He's not a midfielder and as a defender he's more often than not useless, in my opinion.

If Cahill is worth £9 million then no, I don't think Luiz is worth even £15 million.

Stuipid comparison. If you compare with what we BOUGHT cahill for, then is torres worth 50m today?

Anyway, if you honestly think luiz isnt worth more than 15m then you are so blind and ignorant that its hilarious.

[Jase 43,479]

sorry, Alex.

That's nonsense... Are you saying Luiz is more often than not useless as a defender? Not worth even 15m?

mate, that was bushman level, sorry to disagree massively.

Also, no doubts PSG will have one of the best, if not the very best defensive partnership in the world if they don't sell Silva. Luiz and Silva is a match made in heaven for defending, they compliment each other very well.

:lol:

That deserves to be the post of the year!

[Special Juan 27,439]

I'm away has he really gone for 50m

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Stuipid comparison. If you compare with what we BOUGHT cahill for, then is torres worth 50m today?

Anyway, if you honestly think luiz isnt worth more than 15m then you are so blind and ignorant that its hilarious.

You're the one being dismissive of other people's opinions because they don't adhere to your own narrow-minded view of the world. You believe that because you predicted we'd somehow win the UCL in 2012 that your word is gospel, and anyone who challenges your opinion is incorrect. So remind me who's being "blind and ignorant"?

:lol:

That deserves to be the post of the year!

Why, because it's obscenely ignorant? I must have missed the memo that said all people who don't condone to the majority view are idiots. I have never once slagged off Luiz as a player. That's what is frustrating about him, he has all the technical ability in the world, but he's a walking brainfart of a defender.

[Jase 43,479]

You're the one being dismissive of other people's opinions because they don't adhere to your own narrow-minded view of the world. The only person being "blind and ignorant" is you, little boy.

Why, because it's obscenely ignorant? I must have missed the memo that said all people who don't condone to the majority view are idiots.

I was referring to the part where she made the Bushman reference, not the point.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I was referring to the part where she made the Bushman reference, not the point.

The Bushman reference is equally ignorant/rude IMO.

[Jase 43,479]

The Bushman reference is equally ignorant/rude IMO.

Was just laughing at it as its meant to be on the surface, nothing more. I apologize if I have made it seem like it was otherwise.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Was just laughing at it as its meant to be on the surface, nothing more. I apologize if I have made it seem like it was otherwise.

No apology necessary, and I have taken absolutely no offensive from either your post or from Barbara's! I'm made of far sterner stuff than that!

To me, saying "Bushman level" is very disrespectful to Bushman himself, who, despite taking the role of devil's advocate to the most extreme level, is capable of some very good posts.

And when I previously spoke about this, I repeatedly said that Rafa 'making Luiz a better defender' was a myth. If people paid enough attention to his form, Luiz ALWAYS had good form at the end of a season and he ALWAYS started seasons terribly. In that way, yes, he was consistent at being inconsistent. It's like he always needed a number months to adapt to the PL all over again. But every team, not just us, needs a defender who is good for the entire season, not half of it.

Yes, if by 'system' you mean teams that are attacking 'top heavy', play attractive football and win next to nothing? All of those teams are heavily reliant on blowing teams away with their attacking prowess or possession based football. However, their defending always leaves something to be desired - their unbalance is what stops them from challenging on all fronts and that is why these sorts or teams will rarely dominate in the PL.

- City's defence aren't reliable and can't defend without Kompany - they are the exception rather than the rule, they can get away with it because of the amount of quality strikers they can 'afford' (by breaking FFP). However, they can't even buy a spot in the late stages of the CL and won the PL because we and Liverpool threw it away. Hardly convincing.

- Arsenal are too reliant on possession football, leave too much space in behind, get slaughtered on the counter-attack and won 1 trophy in 9 years.

- Liverpool play great football, but simply can't defend for their lives.

Yes, Luiz would probably look fantastic in these teams, but he'd win very little. However, he'll win a lot with the likes of PSG, Munich, Barca domestically because their leagues are so terrible, but when it comes to Europe, these very exploitable weaknesses would still exist.

Mourinho is trying to build a team with no such weaknesses, and he's starting by getting a reliable defence.

I'd rep you ten times over if I could. Wholeheartedly agree. No-one is saying Luiz is a bad footballer. The argument is he too inconsistent, and thus too unreliable to be a first-choice centre back for Chelsea FC. Great post son.