David Luiz

[YouNameIt 1,511]

poor defending = goal for WBA

Jesus Christ..

Ive already been warned today, but I feel I should insult you for posting this.

A wonderful cross = goal for WBA.

What was poor was the choice of tactics to sit and defend a 0-1 lead against WBA.

I think my patience for Luiz has worn too thin....

He was pretty poor today, and could easily have given away a pen for shirt pulling on that useless Anichebe. Not just today though, he hasn't been great this season either.

Would anyone out there really complain if we sold him in the summer? Especially if Barca make another £30M bid they were rumoured to have made last summer?

We have Zouma and Kalas and I would be happy with those 2 alongside JT and Cahill for next season, maybe add Ake in there as well.

I've defended Luiz all the time since he joined, but I think my heart will be happier if we have a more solid CB that doesn't worry me all the time.

What did he do poor?

He COULD have given away a penalty. Did you even see what happened? Luiz was also shirtpulled and both struggled with eachother. Ref was in a perfect position to see it and it was nothing to react on. But you chose to just to bash on him.

What EXACLY did he do "pretty poor".

This has just become a "hop-on-the-bandwagon-to-critizice-luiz-if-ANYTHING-goes-wrong-defensively".

It feels like Luiz is the only one who is (supposed) to defend when something goes wrong.

[duo11bluecl 207]

I think he just ended his Chelsea career at CB, from now on the only time he is gonna be picked there is when Terry is seriously injured/we play lower division teams. Now his only position is CDM and if he starts to not do well there it will be goodbye for him. I hope he stays but I don't really think he has a long term future here and in Mou's plan.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I think he just ended his Chelsea career at CB, from now on the only time he is gonna be picked there is when Terry is seriously injured/we play lower division teams. Now his only position is CDM and if he starts to not do well there it will be goodbye for him. I hope he stays but I don't really think he has a long term future here and in Mou's plan.

He ended his Chelsea career as CB.

Please tell me why you think he was so horrific this game?

[DYC. 7,542]

I was wondering who would be the scapegoat.

[rantdeville 195]

I dont get it...

A clean sheet, comfortable win and Newcastle didnt have much on us. Solid defensive play and yet you critisize Luiz.

What did/didnt he do according to you? How was he worse than Cahill this game? What after this game streghten your belief that hes our 3rd choice defender?

I see what you're saying, but in all fairness, the (well-warranted) critique was prefaced with his positives. Mainly, his utility to us a player.

[zolayes 14,489]

I think he just ended his Chelsea career at CB, from now on the only time he is gonna be picked there is when Terry is seriously injured/we play lower division teams. Now his only position is CDM and if he starts to not do well there it will be goodbye for him. I hope he stays but I don't really think he has a long term future here and in Mou's plan.

I think he is a little younger than Terry

[duo11bluecl 207]

He ended his Chelsea career as CB.

Please tell me why you think he was so horrific this game?

1st he was lucky to not give away at least 2 pens with his shirt pulling. 2ndly, he didn't even bother jumping for that cross, I know the other didn't as well but he was suppose to mark Anichebe with Cahill slightly injured.

[zolayes 14,489]

I was wondering who would be the scapegoat.

its alwayss been easy after Kalou left

[The only place to be 11,313]

He let Victor Anichebe get away for him for the goal. He also let De Jong get away from him on Saturday.

People might feel he's being targetted unnecessarily, but I don't think we concede that goal if Terry and Cahill are the partnership.

But yeah he got the assist for the goal and he nearly got that free-kick near the goal as well, and I'm sure there was a 50 yard pass somewhere in the mix. I've praised him in certain games this year when he's played in midfield, but I simply don't think he's a good enough centre-back for Chelsea Football Club.

Oh, and scapegoat, scapegoat, scapegoat, scapegoat...now no-one else has to say it.

[The only place to be 11,313]

its alwayss been easy after Kalou left

It was Mikel tonight wasn't it? Or was it Torres? Oh and Mourinho for his tactics.

Maybe it was the guy who let Anichebe get away from him....or did that not happen? Maybe it's because he hasn't played much at centre-back recently....oh wait, that excuse got used at the weekend for one of the incidents against Newcastle.

Oh, nearly forgot.....Munich, Champions League, plays well for Brazil, only form, why else would Barca value him at £30 million, future captain, sun was in his eyes. That's all of them isn't it?

[The Skipper 20,593]

God, the overreaction in here is amazing.

Yeah Luiz should've done better with Anichebe but why are people acting like he's never had a good game at CB for us?

Laughing at how supposedly Luiz isn't good enough to be a CB here but is the starting CB for a top international team like Brazil?

People need to relax. We should've played a lot better against WBA in general, those basically scapegoating Luiz for the draw just have an agenda against him IMO.

[DYC. 7,542]

its alwayss been easy after Kalou left

There was the period Mikel took over though.

It was a poor performance, Chelsea invited the pressure and got punished. That's the thing with defending that deep, it's risky. Happy when it works, stupid when it fails.

[zolayes 14,489]

It was Mikel tonight wasn't it? Or was it Torres? Oh and Mourinho for his tactics.

Maybe it was the guy who let Anichebe get away from him....or did that not happen? Maybe it's because he hasn't played much at centre-back recently....oh wait, that excuse got used at the weekend for one of the incidents against Newcastle.

Oh, nearly forgot.....Munich, Champions League, plays well for Brazil, only form, why else would Barca value him at £30 million, future captain, sun was in his eyes. That's all of them isn't it?

oh just put you on ignore ,,,then I dont need to see you rubbish

[Excalibur KTBFFH 109]

When I said he struggles against big, physical strikers and when I voiced my concerns about Terry being out for this one in the match preview thread, I was ridiculed. I knew he was going to have a mediocre game defensively again. He could have gotten sent off for stupidly grabbing Anichebe's shirt after he was on a yellow.

Hopefully, from now on, when Terry is unfit (it will surely happen again), we need to play Ivanovic at CB with Cahill, Azpilicueta RB and Ashley Cole LB.

[rantdeville 195]

He ended his Chelsea career as CB.

Please tell me why you think he was so horrific this game?

I do love Luiz, and do love what he brings to the spirit of the club, but at some level we do have to acknowledge the reality of the situation. He just isn't AS good at marking in the box (on set pieces and open play) as he is at other aspects of the game.

This does not go to say that he is poor at marking, he just isn't AS good as he is playing the game further up the pitch. Considering that's a pretty large aspect of the position, we might just have to come to terms with it:

David Luiz might not be cut out to commandeer an EPL top-tier side from the center back position. He would, however, probably excel at that position in Spain/Germany/Portugal (as he did before).

That being said, he certainly does bring a lot to the table and for that, I applaud him. It might just be one of those things where the success he achieves in his career will be dictated by aspects of the game foreign to himself (i.e. the style of play, the manager, the selection of team, the tactics of a particular game, shit...the weather, who knows) more so than he himself.

Responses welcome.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

This is getting absolutley frustrating. This thread is always active when people feel they need to blame someone for something, like a goal. Every time this happens, it feels like some people believe Luiz is the only defender and the only one who is supposed to defend. These people dont care about (or they dont know) think about what job other defenders have, like the other CB and the defensive midfield for instance.

Meanwhile, the Cahill thread is ever so quiet even if his effort in a game is worse and shakier than Luiz's. Im not saying this to bash on Cahill, but it just shows that some people bash on Luiz for the sake of bashing on Luiz.

Now, after this game against WBA, I read comments where people say things like they've gone tired of Luiz, think he's ended his Chelsea career as CB and whatnot. I ask myself; "What the HELL did he do this game that was SO horrific"? The fact here is that there was a fundamental issue with how we played this game. Sitting deep and defending a 0-1 lead against WBA is absolutley retarded. We often struggle against them and by playing this way, we automatically remove what Chelsea is today. We're not a defensive team to sit and defend deep. We can however play defensively with a counter-attacking style. In the last 20 minutes of the game we didnt do this.And it has proven to hurt us before.

Anyways, I still cannot believe how people bash on Luiz after this game.

- The cross was PERFECT.

- Cahill was hurt and the ball went just over his head.

That goal wasnt really anyones fault, I just dont see it. It was a result of our poor effort, poor tactics and WBA's great determination and will.

Cahill was also involved (due to his injury) in two other very dangerous situations. I understand that he was injured, but because he was injured that doesnt make Luiz worse.

I also saw someone saying "Luiz could have given a penalty away for that shirt pulling". First of all, it's lovely how critisizm comes from something that COULD have happened in that persons eye. Second of all, if you saw that situation closely Luiz was also pulled AND the ref stood in a perfect position to see it, and its nothing to react on really. Secondly, if Im gonna use the same logic as the person who said that; I could just say: "If Luiz didnt do that, it COULD have led to a goal".

All in all, I guess Im just really disappointed people are so narrowminded when it comes to Luiz. Feels like so many just see red and always set their sight on Luiz.

[The Skipper 20,593]

When I said he struggles against big, physical strikers and when I voiced my concerns about Terry being out for this one in the match preview thread, I was ridiculed.

Sorry, was he bullied by Anichebe? He didn't struggle against Victor, he just didn't mark him for the goal.

If you can give me more examples of Luiz struggling against physical strikers then go ahead, if not then sorry I don't think your claim is right.

[robsblubot 3,529]

It was Mikel tonight wasn't it? Or was it Torres? Oh and Mourinho for his tactics.

Maybe it was the guy who let Anichebe get away from him....or did that not happen? Maybe it's because he hasn't played much at centre-back recently....oh wait, that excuse got used at the weekend for one of the incidents against Newcastle.

Oh, nearly forgot.....Munich, Champions League, plays well for Brazil, only form, why else would Barca value him at £30 million, future captain, sun was in his eyes. That's all of them isn't it?

Munich (only a rumor),

Champions League (fact),

plays well for Brazil (fact),

only form, (who knows)

why else would Barca value him at £30 million (false Barca made a 21m offer in the summer so that's his current valuation)

future captain (maybe Brazil),

sun was in his eyes (hey whatever works for you - not judging)

just though I should set the record straight... separate fact from fiction...

I honestly think it was mikel's fault.