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[Fernando 6,585]

Actually saw this in BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67260093

Meanwhile, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 8,000 people have been killed since Israel's retaliatory bombing began. 

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I think this is why some are doubting those figures because it's coming from Hamas, and they are not to be trusted. 

[Vesper 30,085]

Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)

 

[Vesper 30,085]

If course the old war monger cow Clinton (and we all know I HATE Trump and the RW, so don't try and slate me as a pro MAGAt partisan there ust becuase I detest Hillary to a fair point as well) comes out against a ceasefire and thus shows her support for the wanton slaughter of the Gazans to continue apace

 

 

never forget this neoliberal hawk cunt's true colours

Clinton on Qaddafi: We came, we saw, he died

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Vesper

[robsblubot 3,595]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)

 

this thread is heavy on "tube news", which I'm not a a fan myself as it IMO it's just opinions made video.

I do hate this argument tho, because it's irrelevant. It's like saying that you are not supposed to be here, and yet people who are now born in that area have to hear this. It's over... it has already happened. They are there. What's the solution? Kill them all? often times in history someone was dislodged and left unhappy over land division. It will likely happen again.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

On 27/10/2023 at 15:04, Fernando said:

debunked? By who?

Seriously I can disagree with some stuff that Israel has done, but you stating that that Israeli made up beheading baby's is just insane. 

Like those that say the Jewish Holocaust never happen.....

All verified news outlets have debunked such reports, and both the IDF and Israeli Government neither reported or confirmed this ever happened. 

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An Israeli journalist had reported that the army had found 40 beheaded babies in a kibbutz, an unconfirmed story echoed by the Israeli government. But from there the “news” traveled to Washington and the entire world. That Hamas has committed atrocities is a reality that exceeds our capacity for endurance, which was already quite strong. But adding lies and exaggerations, creating an illusion with fictional tools, only diminishes the credibility of the Government of Israel.

The decapitated babies that no one saw, but someone used

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 

The video of Netanyahu from the early 2000s that just resurfaced should make every American angry. 

[Fernando 6,585]

25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

All verified news outlets have debunked such reports, and both the IDF and Israeli Government neither reported or confirmed this ever happened. 

 

There's no verified news outlet there. I don't see nothing. There's no link to anything. 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

38 minutes ago, Fernando said:

There's no verified news outlet there. I don't see nothing. There's no link to anything. 

 

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

Unverified reports of ‘40 babies beheaded’ in Israel-Hamas war inflame social media

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

CNN reporter apologizes for defending Israeli claims that Hamas beheaded babies

Israel-Hamas war: How the unverified claim about beheaded babies spread — ‘Same misinformation, different war’

https://fair.org/home/unconfirmed-beheaded-babies-report-helped-justify-israeli-slaughter/

“BEHEADED BABIES” REPORT SPREAD WIDE AND FAST — BUT ISRAEL MILITARY WON’T CONFIRM IT

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Quite obvious this is not a 'war' it's genocide.

Any of the 2m to be killed, children women, and any survivors to be pushed into Egyptian Sinai. This was the plan all along.

Netanyahu has now said mental scriptural shit evoking the 'Amalek' to explain Israel's position in the ongoing conflict with Palestinians, and the extreme significant civilian casualties.

 He quoted from First Samuel 15:3, saying,  'Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys'"

War criminal

[Vesper 30,085]

2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

All verified news outlets have debunked such reports, and both the IDF and Israeli Government neither reported or confirmed this ever happened. 

 

Yes, the US also walked it all back.

Madness to see debunking a one-off story compared to Holocaust denial. Talk about OTT. 🙄

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

 

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8 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

Unverified reports of ‘40 babies beheaded’ in Israel-Hamas war inflame social media

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

CNN reporter apologizes for defending Israeli claims that Hamas beheaded babies

Israel-Hamas war: How the unverified claim about beheaded babies spread — ‘Same misinformation, different war’

https://fair.org/home/unconfirmed-beheaded-babies-report-helped-justify-israeli-slaughter/

“BEHEADED BABIES” REPORT SPREAD WIDE AND FAST — BUT ISRAEL MILITARY WON’T CONFIRM IT

So, they don't behead little babies... any age limit? toddlers OK? hand these guys a medal! better to draw the line somewhere heh. They target civilians, women and children are fair game, but no killing (at least no beheading) of suckling babies... after all they can be raised as filthy future terrorists.

[Fernando 6,585]

11 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

Unverified reports of ‘40 babies beheaded’ in Israel-Hamas war inflame social media

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

CNN reporter apologizes for defending Israeli claims that Hamas beheaded babies

Israel-Hamas war: How the unverified claim about beheaded babies spread — ‘Same misinformation, different war’

https://fair.org/home/unconfirmed-beheaded-babies-report-helped-justify-israeli-slaughter/

“BEHEADED BABIES” REPORT SPREAD WIDE AND FAST — BUT ISRAEL MILITARY WON’T CONFIRM IT

Thanks for that info, it seems like CNN is the main one because the lower links just quote CNN. 

But I did find this interesting from th te CNN link:

Hamas on Wednesday denied the allegations. Izzat al-Risheq, a senior official and spokesperson for the Islamist militant group, said that the international media had “spread lies about our Palestinian people and the resistance claiming that members of the Palestinian resistance beheaded children and attacked women with no evidence to support such claims and lies.”

Al-Risheq’s claim that Hamas did not attack women is demonstrably false. Women, children and the elderly at kibbutzim like Kfar Aza and Be’eri and were killed during the surprise attack. Videos posted online verified by CNN show women who were attending the music festival targeted by the group’s gunmen being kidnapped.

 

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It seems like a he said she said kind of an event. 

You have Israel saying one thing and then you have Hamas saying one thing..

The most recent news about this issue came from a France news:

Israeli officer says he found baby beheaded in Hamas attack

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231027-israeli-officer-says-he-found-baby-beheaded-in-hamas-attack

 

Speaking on a tour of the Kfar Aza kibbutz, a community of 700 devastated in the attacks, the Israeli colonel told reporters he had been asked since making his gruesome discovery why there were no images.

 

"People ask me how come you did not take a picture. I said: ‘I’m sorry, I have children. I have limitations. I have limits. I do not take a picture of a decapitated baby," Vach said.

 

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So it is a he said she said kind of things. 

I don't know what to make of this but one thing is for sure, I'm far more skeptical about Hamas telling me something and believing their side.