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1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

This Trump conviction has holes in it.
First of all consider that no responsible Trump campaign funder would ever object if some of the money was used for sexy purposes.
So who is Trump's natural court here ?
The state or the funders who actually have no problem ?
At most we have here an irregularity that concerns VAT.
A different issue might arise if sex orgies were illegal, federal offense, but they 're not.
Or if the whistle blower was a virgin, but she's not.
So I don't expect it will have a political effect.

 

No, there are no legal holes of any true import in it. He directed a criminal conspiracy that engaged in an illegal coverup of hush money with the now proven intent of campaign interference.

I doubt he sees prison time but for the reat of his life he will be a convicted felon. This will not be overturned on appeal, barring the corrupt RW SCOTUS committing national suicide by getting involved in a state case and unconstitutionally somehow giving Trump immunity. 

IF they do that (and that is FAR from the only thing they may do to cause a massive inflection point, many of them nothing to do with Trump) they put the country on a course where the SCOTUS may well just be ignored and the Union of the States starts to unwind if things go truly pear shaped.

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33 minutes ago, Vesper said:

No, there are no legal holes of any true import in it. He directed a criminal conspiracy that engaged in an illegal coverup of hush money with the now proven intent of campaign interference.

I doubt he sees prison time but for the reat of his life he will be a convicted felon. This will not be overturned on appeal, barring the corrupt RW SCOTUS committing national suicide by getting involved in a state case and unconstitutionally somehow giving Trump immunity. 

IF they do that (and that is FAR from the only thing they may do to cause a massive inflection point, many of them nothing to do with Trump) they put the country on a course where the SCOTUS may well just be ignored and the Union of the States starts to unwind if things go truly pear shaped.

I know of no politician who was disliked because of sexy encounters.
By his opponents maybe - look at the Greek anthology on Demetra Lianis.
But not by his voters.
Look at Henry the eighth, the all time British hero king.
It is bordering on the edge.

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17 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I know of no politician who was disliked because of sexy encounters.
By his opponents maybe - look at the Greek anthology on Demetra Lianis.
But not by his voters.
Look at Henry the eighth, the all time British hero king.
It is bordering on the edge.

This has nothing to do with sex in terms if illegality. That is what the RW (SO hypocritically) is trying to spin it as.

Trump committed election interference via a conspiracy to pay and hide hush money. The 'grab em by the pussy tape' had just dropped, and if the story that he was fucking a porn star whilst his wife was home pregnant with his child would have hit, he would have been fucked.

 

 

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On 29/05/2024 at 03:10, Vesper said:

Hitler rants to von Shitzenpantz.

 

MAGA has fully embraced Diaper Don Von Shitzenpantz. They are now wearing diapers in solidarity. Totally not a cult.

What's the deal with Trump and diapers?

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32 minutes ago, manpe said:

What's the deal with Trump and diapers?

Trump shit himself on multiple occasions when he was doing The Apprentice (per the producer), and wears diapers still.

Michael Cohen was on a taped call years ago (part of the evidence at the trial) and called him von Shitzenpantz, lolol. 

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Presidential debates are going to be funny.An Alzheimer's patient and a convicted felon. 

God bless America. 

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Starmer’s Labour In Disgraceful Purge Of Left MP Candidates

 

 

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The AfD’s obsession with the Third Reich is driving a realignment of Europe’s far right

Marine Le Pen’s rupture with her German allies reveals a tactical fault line between the ‘old’ right and the ‘new’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/31/afd-obsession-third-reich-realignment-europe-far-right

Momentous change is afoot within Europe’s far right. Just as voters across 27 countries prepare to go to the polls in EU elections, a split over the German far right’s allegiance to the Third Reich is driving a realignment.

The far-right Identity and Democracy (ID) group in the European parliament last week expelled the entire Alternative for Germany (AfD) faction from its ranks after a furore involving the leading AfD candidate Maximiian Krah.

The unprecedented move, initiated by Marine Le Pen, was officially a reaction to remarks Krah made in an interview with an Italian newspaper. Asked if his demand that all Germans take pride in their forbears would include those who were in the SS, the Nazi’s main paramilitary force, Krah said that “not all SS were criminals”.

The cordon sanitaire Le Pen called for around the AfD as a result represents a real rift in Europe’s far right camp: between those who affirm, either tacitly or explicitly, a connection to the Third Reich or to fascism, and those who do not; between the old right and the new.

Le Pen’s party, the Rassemblement National (RN), a key member of the ID group, was formerly the Front National, which was co-founded by collaborationists from the Waffen SS’s Division Charlemagne. For more than a decade, she has been trying to detoxify its successor partyof all blatant Nazi associations, especially antisemitism. The aim of Le Pen’s purge, which she called “dédiabolisation”, is to finally become president of France 2027.

Whether the rift between the old right and the new is real, or merely tactical, remains to be seen. The suspicion of mere tactics also hangs over the head of Italian prime minister Giorgia Meloni, who seems to actively encourage the ambivalence by nodding to the middle ground some days and to the extreme on others.

One would expect that of all far-right European parties, the Germans would be most cautious when it comes to the Nazi past. Not so. In fact “Melonisation” – catering to the middle ground, appearing to be “pro European”, supporting Ukraine, being kissed on the forehead by US president Joe Biden – has become a dirty word among their rank and file. “People like Le Pen or Meloni, they don’t change France or Italy, they don’t want to seriously stop migration,” one senior AfD politician told me last week. “All they want is to advance their own careers.”

In April, Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD in the state of Thuringia, was fined for uttering the Nazi stormtroopers’ slogan , “Everything for Germany”. The party’s honorary head, former CDU-Conservative Alexander Gauland, famously called the 12 years of Nazi rule “a mere birdshit” in German history. It is like an obsession with them, a political Tourette syndrome. The Nazi past had to be rehabilitated, at whatever cost.

And why wouldn’t it. Until a couple of weeks ago, the AfD seemed to gain strength not despite, but because of its deepening radicalisation. The inability of successive German governments of any stripe, conservative or social democrat, to stem migration in recent years, has no doubt contributed to its rise. According to the AfD narrative, Germany is overwhelmed, both by irregular migration and the violent crime supposedly associated with it. Its schools, community services, and welfare system are all overwhelmed and struggling as a result.

But the Krah case, as well as allegations about corruption by AfD figures and spying for Russia and China, along with the revelations about “remigration” after an ominous meeting in Potsdam, seem to have turned the tide.

Maximilian Krah, the AfD’s leading candidate, at a campaign event for the European elections in Dresden on 1 May. Photograph: Jens Schlueter/AFP/Getty Images

 

While polls at the beginning of the year promised the AfD a vote share of 23%, support now hovers at about 14%. The patriotism of the party that claims to have love for Germany at its core is now called into question. When pretty much everything the AfD has to say about the federal republic in the 75th year of its democratic constitution is filled with disgust, but warm words are found for Putin’s Russia or the Chinese Communist party, voters may find it hard to see the love in any of this.

But this is the puzzle of all the movements belonging to the so-called “New Right”. The promise of this brand had originally been to leave behind the obsessions and insignia of the old right. “The old right is dead,” pronounced the French philosopher Alain de Benoist, one of the most influential thinkers behind the new right in France and in Germany. “It was well deserved. The old right perished from living off its inheritance, its privileges, its memories. It perished from neither having a vision for the future nor a goal.”

For the new right the enemy was no longer the left – whose social politics, style of action and ideas it rather went to great lengths to copy. The enemy of the new right is liberalism, in supposed cahoots with “globalism”, “wokeism” and capitalism. Human rights in the eyes of the new right are an instrument of oppression and imperialism, of creating “one world” that alienates people from their origins.

Adherents of the new right present themselves as intellectually ambitious. Krah himself recently published a book called Politik von Rechts, and aims at presenting himself as “erudite, friendly, elegant”, not as brooding and “bad tempered” as the old. The new right claims to have replaced the racism of its forebears with “ethnopluralism” – all peoples are equal but should live separately. The “remigration” debate brought the hypocrisy of this concept to the fore. Does “ethnicity” end up meaning “whiteness”?

At any rate, the far right stands to gain a much bigger vote in the European parliament elections, which begin on 6 June but in Germany take place on 9 June. The reshuffling initiated by Le Pen could end up lumping her together within a new “super group” with Meloni, whose Brothers of Italy party heads up the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR). Le Pen suggested as much this week. If it came to pass, it would make them a force to reckon with.

AfD-led Krah, however, is far from beating a humiliated retreat. He might keep a low profile until 9 June. But behind the scenes, Krah has been busy building an alternative group – with extremist parties and figures such as the Dutch Thierry Baudet, or the Bulgarian Kostadin Kostadinov, who have already expressed their solidarity with Krah on social media.

In other words, any triumph of the far right in the June vote might also become the moment of their most visible divide. Whether their liberal opponents will be able to gain from this is another matter.

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Interesting read,
https://theintercept.com/2024/05/25/media-trump-danger-democracy/

"Trump is a fascist. But the mainstream political press doesn’t want to say it. They want to act like 2024 is just another election year.

With their obsession with horse-race coverage, political reporters tend to judge what Trump says or does by whether his words and actions will help him politically. By doing so, the press is saying that Trump’s racism, corruption, criminality, and insane abuses of power matter only so far as his electability.

There are exceptions: major news organizations, including the New York Times and the Washington Post, have done some important stories about Trump’s dictatorial plans for a second term. But those investigative stories are drowned out by the chorus of horse-race stories — sometimes published on the same days and by the same news organizations behind more substantial coverage."

Reckon that In the end it's the media making a lot of money by covering the race and polls in a daily basis, so money wins. e.g. running polls 5 months before election make good headlines and that's about it... esp considering the electoral colleague here.

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[cosmicway 1,299]

I 'm sort of with Trump on this one.
Why are sexy affairs regarded as sin ?
I have never quite understood.
When I was a teenager there was that girl and I used to think about her thus:
Look, this one is going to eat the spaghetti her mother is cooking today.
In the evening she may have sex with me - si cosi vene bene.
Tomorrow she will eat the rest of the spaghetti.
So where is the problem ?

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6 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I 'm sort of with Trump on this one.
Why are sexy affairs regarded as sin ?
I have never quite understood.
When I was a teenager there was that girl and I used to think about her thus:
Look, this one is going to eat the spaghetti her mother is cooking today.
In the evening she may have sex with me - si cosi vene bene.
Tomorrow she will eat the rest of the spaghetti.
So where is the problem ?

This has all been explained to you already, multiple times, and yet you wilfully are once again falsely trying to make it about sex.

You are sounding like a Trumper, m8. Not a good look.

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

This has all been explained to you already, multiple times, and yet you wilfully are once again falsely trying to make it about sex.

You are sounding like a Trumper, m8. Not a good look.

But this is how it started.

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3 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

But this is how it started.

The criminal charges had nothing to do with sex.

Trump is the one who freaked out about his banging a porn slag coming to light so much that he spun up a criminal conspiracy to cover it up.

It could have been a cover up for anything (it didn't have to be about him fucking Stormy) and the coverup conspiracy to violate campaign laws, for his benefit in the 2016 campaign, is still illegal.

This is really getting tiresome.

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Bottom line on Trump:

If he gets back into power and things go even halfway as pear shaped as they easily could, the world is in existential danger.

Zero hyperbole. 

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6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Bottom line on Trump:

If he gets back into power and things go even halfway as pear shaped as they easily could, the world is in existential danger.

Zero hyperbole. 

Based on what? 

The world currently is in shit and in existential danger. 

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24 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Trump is the one who freaked out about his banging a porn slag coming to light so much that he spun up a criminal conspiracy to cover it up.

Well why should freak out then ?
Admittedly we all have the same problem.
One day -before internet days- I wrote a letter to the local church concerning some alms givivg church event.
I also wrote another letter to a sexy queen advertising in one of the dating mags (no internet - dating mags).
I leave them on my desk to be posted and leave the house with a cab to go to some other business.
Midway a satanic flash comes to my mind "you put the wrong letter into the wrong envelope".
So I stops the taxi literally in the middle of a speedway, get out from the wrong side, dash home.
Thankfully the envelopes were still on my desk.

Edited June 1 by cosmicway