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[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

  On 31/10/2023 at 14:38, MoroccanBlue said:

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

Unverified reports of ‘40 babies beheaded’ in Israel-Hamas war inflame social media

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

CNN reporter apologizes for defending Israeli claims that Hamas beheaded babies

Israel-Hamas war: How the unverified claim about beheaded babies spread — ‘Same misinformation, different war’

https://fair.org/home/unconfirmed-beheaded-babies-report-helped-justify-israeli-slaughter/

“BEHEADED BABIES” REPORT SPREAD WIDE AND FAST — BUT ISRAEL MILITARY WON’T CONFIRM IT

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So, they don't behead little babies... any age limit? toddlers OK? hand these guys a medal! better to draw the line somewhere heh. They target civilians, women and children are fair game, but no killing (at least no beheading) of suckling babies... after all they can be raised as filthy future terrorists.

[Fernando 6,533]

  On 31/10/2023 at 14:38, MoroccanBlue said:

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

Unverified reports of ‘40 babies beheaded’ in Israel-Hamas war inflame social media

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

CNN reporter apologizes for defending Israeli claims that Hamas beheaded babies

Israel-Hamas war: How the unverified claim about beheaded babies spread — ‘Same misinformation, different war’

https://fair.org/home/unconfirmed-beheaded-babies-report-helped-justify-israeli-slaughter/

“BEHEADED BABIES” REPORT SPREAD WIDE AND FAST — BUT ISRAEL MILITARY WON’T CONFIRM IT

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Thanks for that info, it seems like CNN is the main one because the lower links just quote CNN. 

But I did find this interesting from th te CNN link:

Hamas on Wednesday denied the allegations. Izzat al-Risheq, a senior official and spokesperson for the Islamist militant group, said that the international media had “spread lies about our Palestinian people and the resistance claiming that members of the Palestinian resistance beheaded children and attacked women with no evidence to support such claims and lies.”

Al-Risheq’s claim that Hamas did not attack women is demonstrably false. Women, children and the elderly at kibbutzim like Kfar Aza and Be’eri and were killed during the surprise attack. Videos posted online verified by CNN show women who were attending the music festival targeted by the group’s gunmen being kidnapped.

 

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It seems like a he said she said kind of an event. 

You have Israel saying one thing and then you have Hamas saying one thing..

The most recent news about this issue came from a France news:

Israeli officer says he found baby beheaded in Hamas attack

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231027-israeli-officer-says-he-found-baby-beheaded-in-hamas-attack

 

Speaking on a tour of the Kfar Aza kibbutz, a community of 700 devastated in the attacks, the Israeli colonel told reporters he had been asked since making his gruesome discovery why there were no images.

 

"People ask me how come you did not take a picture. I said: ‘I’m sorry, I have children. I have limitations. I have limits. I do not take a picture of a decapitated baby," Vach said.

 

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So it is a he said she said kind of things. 

I don't know what to make of this but one thing is for sure, I'm far more skeptical about Hamas telling me something and believing their side. 

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[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

From Belgian nuns being raped (WW1), to Germans tossing up babies into the air catching them on their bayonets (WW1) fictitious atrocities have always been used as propaganda. Pre Gulf War ''Kuwaiti air hostesses raped by Iraqis''. All bullshit. Now ''beheaded babies''. These, along with dehumanising of people makes it easier to slaughter innocents who are not perceived as human.

The Tutsis and Hutus genocide was preceded by months of radio broadcasts where they were described as rats, as the nazis portrayed jews. Now we have the Israelis describe Palestinians as 'animals', 'cancer' 'cockroaches' -dehumanising as they commit Genocide. UN have said this.

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

UN officials resign as genocide is enacted

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 31/10/2023 at 22:56, robsblubot said:

So, they don't behead little babies... any age limit? toddlers OK? hand these guys a medal! better to draw the line somewhere heh. They target civilians, women and children are fair game, but no killing (at least no beheading) of suckling babies... after all they can be raised as filthy future terrorists.

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Can you instead look at where this discussion originated instead of jumping into the middle of it without understanding any context? No one is trying to pathetically down play Hamas just because it was unconfirmed they were beheading  children.

This discussion originated because Joe fucking Biden without hesitation questioned the number of casualties of Palestinians, to which the death toll of children now reaches almost 3,000 casualties (The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA ), which tracks deaths in the conflict, has found the Palestinian ministry’s numbers to be reliable after conducting its own investigation.) and yet this clown lied on public broadcast of seeing beheaded children when no such evidence exists. This level of nepotism is the very reason such conflict wages on. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/01/bidens-dismissal-reported-palestinian-death-toll/

  On 01/11/2023 at 02:07, Fernando said:

Thanks for that info, it seems like CNN is the main one because the lower links just quote CNN. 

But I did find this interesting from th te CNN link:

Hamas on Wednesday denied the allegations. Izzat al-Risheq, a senior official and spokesperson for the Islamist militant group, said that the international media had “spread lies about our Palestinian people and the resistance claiming that members of the Palestinian resistance beheaded children and attacked women with no evidence to support such claims and lies.”

Al-Risheq’s claim that Hamas did not attack women is demonstrably false. Women, children and the elderly at kibbutzim like Kfar Aza and Be’eri and were killed during the surprise attack. Videos posted online verified by CNN show women who were attending the music festival targeted by the group’s gunmen being kidnapped.

 

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It seems like a he said she said kind of an event. 

You have Israel saying one thing and then you have Hamas saying one thing..

The most recent news about this issue came from a France news:

Israeli officer says he found baby beheaded in Hamas attack

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231027-israeli-officer-says-he-found-baby-beheaded-in-hamas-attack

 

Speaking on a tour of the Kfar Aza kibbutz, a community of 700 devastated in the attacks, the Israeli colonel told reporters he had been asked since making his gruesome discovery why there were no images.

 

"People ask me how come you did not take a picture. I said: ‘I’m sorry, I have children. I have limitations. I have limits. I do not take a picture of a decapitated baby," Vach said.

 

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So it is a he said she said kind of things. 

I don't know what to make of this but one thing is for sure, I'm far more skeptical about Hamas telling me something and believing their side. 

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Atrocities on both sides have happened. That we can guarantee. 

However, turning an blind eye on one whilst encouraging their apartheid on the other, is the issue. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by MoroccanBlue

[cosmicway 1,333]

Is a law against influencers coming ?

Everybody who posts stuff in the internets is an influencer.
Some make big money, others probably nothing.

Consider this statement:

"Palmer should be used as a false number nine at Chelsea football club, converging behind Enzo and Jackson"

This influences.
It could be unpaid or paid.
If it is paid then it may be that both parties involved in the transaction, Pochettino and me, keep all their books in order and is declared.
But also they may not.
The above statement of mine small as it is, should cost about 2.5 euros, nominally.

What distinguishes this type of situation from other possible tax frauds, such as selling cds without giving receipts ?
It differs in that the cd is something one obviously buys or sells, while the influencers statements we don't know - maybe personal opinions, maybe part of a campaign.

Another such statement could be:

"vote for Boris Johnson - the hero of Great Britain"

Is this from a dyed in the wool but innocent Tory supporter or is it paid political broadcast ? 
Again it is not obvious.

One posssible way of dealing with this is to send the snoops of the tax authority up and down the country and see what they can catch.
Another is to make red China - Kim laws but this is a tad uncostitutional, because we have parliamentary democracy.
A third and more likely possibility is the preemptive tax.
So to post here for example the management of this forum will have to know my name, full adress and all the rest that is required.
Then for every post I will be charged say five pounds, as preemptive anti-influencer tax.
The forum itself likewise will be charged for stuff they write themselves.

This is the new great big brother idea and I believe it's going to happen about a year from now.

Edited November 2, 2023 by cosmicway

[Fernando 6,533]

  On 01/11/2023 at 22:37, MoroccanBlue said:

Can you instead look at where this discussion originated instead of jumping into the middle of it without understanding any context? No one is trying to pathetically down play Hamas just because it was unconfirmed they were beheading  children.

This discussion originated because Joe fucking Biden without hesitation questioned the number of casualties of Palestinians, to which the death toll of children now reaches almost 3,000 casualties (The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA ), which tracks deaths in the conflict, has found the Palestinian ministry’s numbers to be reliable after conducting its own investigation.) and yet this clown lied on public broadcast of seeing beheaded children when no such evidence exists. This level of nepotism is the very reason such conflict wages on. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/01/bidens-dismissal-reported-palestinian-death-toll/

Atrocities on both sides have happened. That we can guarantee. 

However, turning an blind eye on one whilst encouraging their apartheid on the other, is the issue. 

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No one is encouraging apartheid. 

The problem is what I said from the beginning, Israel is like USA post 911, you ain't going to stop them. 

They will continue until they believe they gotten rid of Hamas....bust just like USA thought we got rid of Taliban, it only lasted few days before Afghanistan was under control of Taliban. 

It's a hard situation and war is always ugly. No matter who is fighting, even if you have the "good" guys vs "bad" guys you always have casualties on both sides. It's the sad part. 

The problem will be what to do after Hamas is not functional? Can Palestine government take control and not allow another terrorist organization come out? Israel take full control? 

Give it to the UN to rule...but then again they don't have army. 

Give it to Russia?

Give it to USA?

Same problem that USA had with Afghanistan. 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

Jews spitting at and hitting Christians

 

[Fernando 6,533]

Watching this makes me sad what war has brought. 

 

I will like to say not all Palestinians are bad. Just that they are run by some terrorists organizations in Hamas. But it's sad what Hamas and war through Israel has brought to this people. Very sad, war and terrorism is bad, no one wins. 

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

  On 02/11/2023 at 22:38, Fernando said:

Very sad, war and terrorism is bad, no one wins

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Almost a third of the Worlds population struggle and die through lack of clean water yet there is always money (3.3billion a year to Israel from the  US alone) for war.

Arms shareholders do very well out of this. Like when Bush addressed 100 of the richest arms billionaires and he said, 'you are my real vote base'

[Fernando 6,533]

  On 03/11/2023 at 08:16, Fulham Broadway said:

Almost a third of the Worlds population struggle and die through lack of clean water yet there is always money (3.3billion a year to Israel from the  US alone) for war.

Arms shareholders do very well out of this. Like when Bush addressed 100 of the richest arms billionaires and he said, 'you are my real vote base'

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We can say the same for Gaza. People are struggling and Hamas gets money only for them not help their people but take it themselves and buy rockets for their terrorism. 

As I always said the biggest problem is the love of money, corruption. Theirs nothing you can do to fight that. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,175]

You guys really need to stay away from YouTube, if that's where your getting you information from and using it as a statement to make a point, your have already lost your argument.

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

  On 03/11/2023 at 13:18, Fernando said:

We can say the same for Gaza. People are struggling and Hamas gets money only for them not help their people but take it themselves and buy rockets for their terrorism. 

As I always said the biggest problem is the love of money, corruption. Theirs nothing you can do to fight that. 

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Yes people get rich out of slaughtering civilians. 

Most of Gazas funding comes from Qatar. Yes the World cup hosts. Qatar's funding for Gaza passes  through Israel.

The funds are transferred electronically from Qatar to Israel. Israeli and U.N. officials hand-carry cash over the border to Gaza.

[Vesper 29,406]

Labour infighting over Israel suddenly clouds Keir Starmer’s path

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/01/starmer-labour-gaza-internal-conflict/

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak could have another year in office, but many already write off the 43-year-old as yesterday’s man. Opinion pollsters put the opposition Labour Party some 20 points ahead, and Sunak’s Conservatives, buffeted by scandals and resignations, have suffered terrible thrashings in parliamentary by-elections.

Until two weeks ago, most political commentators at Westminster were expecting Labour’s leader, Sir Keir Starmer, 61, to romp to victory in Britain’s next general election, likely next October.

In recent days, however, uncertainty has arisen, as unexpected and sudden as a coastal fog rolling in off the English Channel on a blue-skied summer day. Such mists can evaporate, but for the moment, Starmer, like a beachgoer in his bathing trunks, looks exposed, all goose-bumped with teeth a-chattering.

His sales pitch is that he has transformed his party from the antisemitic, hard-left rabble that lost the 2019 general election heavily to a Conservative Party then led by Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Under Labour’s previous leader, socialist Jeremy Corbyn, the party was found to have broken the law in the way it mistreated Jewish members. Starmer served as one of Corbyn’s top lieutenants. Indeed, Starmer won the party’s leadership in 2020 on a firmly leftist platform that many Corbyn fans supported. Since then, Starmer has been determinedly disowning the Corbyn era.

Starmer in particular set about altering the public’s perception of Labour as antisemitic. Jewish leaders praised his efforts, and some former Jewish politicians who had quit the party said they would return. It was no particular surprise that when Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, Starmer tucked in behind the Sunak government’s pro-Israel stance. You would have struggled to insert a cigarette paper between him and the prime minister. This might have been smooth centrist politics, but it dismayed Labour’s pro-Palestinian activists and many of the party’s members of Parliament, some of whose constituencies have large Muslim populations.

At first, Starmer’s doubters bit their tongues, not wishing to endanger party unity or their own career prospects under a Starmer government. Then he gave a radio interview about Israel’s tactics in Gaza. Nick Ferrari of LBC radio asked: “A siege is appropriate? Cutting off power, cutting off water?” Starmer: “I think Israel does have that right.”

Those seven words did to Labour unity what Israelite trumpets did to the walls of Jericho in the Old Testament. A succession of Labour members of Parliament rose in the House of Commons to signal their displeasure with their leader’s pro-Israel policy. Those of us in the Commons gallery overlooking Starmer, as the complaints mounted, could see his left ankle swiveling faster and faster, until it could have whisked egg whites into stiff little peaks.

 

The rebellion has grown. Labour supporters, long critical of Israel, are publicly disregarding a leader who only three weeks ago claimed in his party-conference speech that Labour was “a changed party, no longer in thrall to gesture politics.” Would a truly “changed” Labour be agitating against its leader on this most sensitive of issues?

Starmer tried to rectify matters by making a visit to a mosque, but afterward its leaders claimed he had “gravely misrepresented” their discussions. The dispute exacerbated anti-Starmer feelings in the party. As for the radio interview in which he said “I think Israel does have that right,” Starmer now asserts that he had said no such thing. Westminster became accustomed to brazen untruths during the tragicomic premiership of Johnson, who was toppled in 2022 after misleading Parliament, but Starmer is a lawyer and a former head of the Crown Prosecution Service. Naive question, perhaps, but are lawyers not meant to tell the truth?

Dissent can be addictive. Once members of Parliament taste disobedience, they often want more. With Labour so far ahead in the opinion polls, complacency might be developing among Starmer’s ranks. This might not matter if the party had well-established, popular policies, but its standing in the polls appears to flow more from public weariness with the Conservatives rather than champing enthusiasm for Labour’s ideas.

The technocratic Sunak is hardly an inspirational figure, but Starmer, a hesitant orator with a voice like a duck, is no more arresting a proposition. His front-bench team lacks substance, particularly David Lammy, Labour’s putative foreign secretary, and some of them have joined the pro-Palestinian rebellion.

Two of Labour’s main policy proposals are to impose a sales tax on private school fees and to hasten the sales ban on new gas-fueled cars. Neither of these measures looks like an election-winner. Meanwhile, there are signs that Sunak might finally be making some headway in reducing the number of immigrants crossing the English Channel in small boats, an issue of concern to working-class voters. His next move could be to announce cuts in taxation, which has reached record levels.

After 13 years in government, the Conservatives are undoubtedly struggling to maintain any impetus. The odds still favor a Labour win at the next election. But forecasting English seaside weather has never been straightforward, and it is not impossible that the underwhelming Starmer will yet be lost in the fog.

[lucio 5,418]

Corbyn didn’t do shit against Jewish people , just a chance to undermine Labour Party 

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

80% of British MPs belong to 'Friends of Israel' the cross party lobbying group, they all had luxurious all expenses trips given to them. 

Israel has 'donated' millions to Cons and labour, which explains their position of ''Slaughter more women, maim and bury thousands more children  !! Israel has the right to defend itself''  but its not bribery, honestly.