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[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

14 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

We've all done it. ''where you going love ?'' ''Nowhere, just down the shops'' Next minute you're balls deep in the cheap tomatoes in Asda

Those were the days!!!! 

[cosmicway 1,323]

Is this brexit land so good, would you leave it if you could ?
Ja this brexit land ist gut, we would leave if we could.

[Vesper 28,796]

 

Snarls and smears from disgraced Boris Johnson, readying his troops for civil war

The Partygate report could not be more damning – but his only concern is for those who still mass under his tattered flag

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/15/snarls-smears-disgraced-boris-johnson-partygate-civil-war

Boris Johnson’s ally Jacob Rees-Mogg holds a copy of the Commons Privileges Committee Partygate report on Thursday 15 June 2023. Photograph: James Manning/PA

Ninety days’ suspension and a lifelong ban from a pass to enter the Palace of Westminster. This is the punishing verdict for the only prime minister ever found to have misled parliament. Naturally, Boris Johnson lashes out at the privileges committee judgment as a “final knife-thrust in a protracted political assassination”, designed “to find me guilty, regardless of the facts”. All the committee’s painstakingly careful yet eye-popping evidence bounces off him, as he treats the detailed accounts of six (plus another 16) Downing Street parties, and the lies he told, with total contempt. Furious self-pity, paranoid victimhood and faith in his golden merit is true to form.

This verdict should be the stake through the heart of a disgraced career. Anthony Seldon and Raymond Newell already produced enough devastating evidence in the biography Johnson at 10 to prevent any conceivable resurrection of this monster, you would think. At a literary event this week, Seldon signed my copy with: “A story about the worst prime minister in (modern) history – rotten to the core.”

The hypothetical punishment was multiplied for his complicity in a “campaign of abuse” against the committee, which he derided as a kangaroo court. His smears today were expected, claiming the findings that he deliberately misled the house were “rubbish”, and “a lie”, calling it a “deranged conclusion”. He said some of the committee’s arguments were “a load of complete tripe, and that “this report is a charade”. But don’t imagine these are the final ravings of a desperate man as he sinks into a hell of his own making. No, there is nothing reckless or uncalculated about this Trumpian tactic. He does not for one moment expect to convince the likes of you and me, or any half-rational observers, but to give ammunition and hope to his little platoons of supporters, about two dozen in parliament and many more among the Tory membership, who might, just possibly, get some future chance to select him again as their leader.

There is nothing wild about Johnson’s flamboyant rejection of criticism, as it gives his many foghorns in the media a supply of ammunition to keep the Brexit fires burning, saluting their hero as the prince over the water. This is civil war. Their enemy is Rishi Sunak, the usurper in Downing Street, who even now is wrongfully enjoying Johnson’s gold wallpaper. The remainers, lefties, wokerati and metropolitan elite are now forgotten enemies for Johnson and his platoons, who focus all their fire on their own frontbench.

That war may fizzle out, when you look at the quality of politicians rallying to the tattered flag of Johnson’s cohort – Michael Fabricant, Jake Berry and Jacob Rees-Mogg. But they can still inflict salvoes of unfriendly fire. Nadine Dorries is trying to time her byelection for maximum damage. Yet in this bizarre Conservative party nothing is impossible, so this embittered platoon may yet turn into more than revenge-seekers. If Sunak’s March budget tax giveaways fail to bribe enough voters, we already know that a panicked Tory party, which gave us Johnson and then Liz Truss, is capable of absolutely anything in a frantic attempt to hold on to its vanishing seats.

Here’s the world they inhabit: the Sun reminds us of the insane power of the tiny Tory membership. When it comes to the free vote on the floor in the Commons on Monday, each Tory MP will have to decide for themselves whether to back the privileges committee report, or express continuing support for Johnson by rejecting it. The frightening anti-democratic threat, expressed by a senior Tory, is that any Tory MP who votes for the report “will be having some serious issues with their associations and wouldn’t be remotely surprised if they were given the boot”. So here we are in full Trump territory, where intimidation by a small group of Johnsonite Tories can terrify their MPs into backing him.

They are deluded. The idea that the Johnson magic of Brexit and the 2019 election could be resuscitated is a phantasm. The public wouldn’t have it. They view the idea of his resurrection as a joke. Fuel was added to his funeral pyre this week when the Covid inquiry opened with a sad cortege of heart-breaking witnesses talking of what happened to them and their families. They never visited the sick and dying. Now, they are left to mourn their obedience to rules ordered by Johnson at his nightly press conferences. The bereaved will always be there, like the parade of ghosts haunting Richard III on the eve of battle, reminding everyone that this was never a minor matter of a few parties. This act of contempt, of misleading parliament, might seem an arcane oddity to many voters witnessing so many extravagant non-truths and factoids hurled about the House on an ordinary day. But a mother who was stopped by the police from saving her suicidal daughter is the kind of Covid story that, once heard, can never be forgotten.

That Johnson and his coterie can imagine he has been hounded from office on trumped up charges shows just how unfit for office they all are and always were, and how far removed their lives are from the experience of the rest of the population during those lockdown months.

This was indeed the “worst” prime minister, the most unfit and yet, terrible though it is to admit, probably the most important. His short term in office has left the deepest and most enduring legacy that will scar the history books when other leaders are long forgotten. No other prime minister in my lifetime has inflicted such permanent and crippling damage, dividing and diminishing the nation with a Brexit he didn’t even care about.

Margaret Thatcher’s harms are many and searing, but they can be undone, and it looks as if many soon could be. Brexit is a deeper laceration. It will forever leave a mark as the most abrupt and pivotal point in the nation’s decline. Despised abroad, with a shrinking GDP and a loss of foreign investment as well as respect, Britain now finds itself alienated, alone, and sliding downwards on just about every league table. Johnson did this, the political wizard who cast a spell over the voters with his outrageous lies and promises. His cunning verbal wit – and even the seductive falsities he peddled – were part of his charm. This was his only talent, and it was lethal.

 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Vesper

[Vesper 28,796]

Former Eton Master Pens Brutal Letter Admitting 'Failure' In Educating 'Entitled' Tories

John Claughton suggests ex-pupils Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Kwasi Kwarteng have damaged the “very fabric” of the country.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eton-master-letter-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg-kwasi-kwarteng_uk_64888a44e4b06725aee2956f

A former master of Eton College, Britain’s most famous private school, has admitted regret over “failing” to rein in ex-pupil Boris Johnson.

John Claughton, who was a master at Eton from 1984 to 2001, pointed to the former prime minister and other leading Conservatives – including Jacob Rees-Mogg and Kwasi Kwarteng – who have damaged the “very fabric” of the country.

Eton, which charges more than £46,000 per year for tuition, has produced 20 prime ministers – more than any other school in Britain.

In a brutally short letter in The Times on Tuesday, Claughton essayed the school’s role in educating the “global elite”.

He added: “Perhaps its most important mission will be to ensure that its pupils are saved from the sense of privilege, entitlement and omniscience that can produce alumni such as Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Kwasi Kwarteng and Ben Elliot and thereby damage a country’s very fabric.

“Sadly, I failed in that purpose.”

Johnson, ousted as prime minister last year after an avalanche of ministerial resignations following a series of controversies, has just dramatically quit parliament ahead of a damning report that is expected to find he deliberately misled MPs during the pandemic.

One of Johnson’s biggest cheerleaders, Rees-Mogg went from a backbencher with literally a laidback approach to the scourge of working-from-home culture as a cabinet minister – infamously leaving notes on the desks of civil servants who were not in the office.

As short-term prime minister Liz Truss’s chancellor, Kwarteng crashed the economy after announcing the biggest raft of tax cuts for half a century. He recently refused to apologise and suggested people were not angry with him, even though mortgage rates continue to soar.

[Vesper 28,796]

Brilliant 

 

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

Seems the Greeks are telling lies.

They said they didnt intervene to help the migrant boat that capsized last Wednesday -(78 dead so far, 500 missing including hundreds of kids)  because the boat was heading for Italy.

Data now confirms the boat was static for 7 hours. 

[cosmicway 1,323]

On 18/06/2023 at 23:41, Fulham Broadway said:

Seems the Greeks are telling lies.

They said they didnt intervene to help the migrant boat that capsized last Wednesday -(78 dead so far, 500 missing including hundreds of kids)  because the boat was heading for Italy.

Data now confirms the boat was static for 7 hours. 

According to the BBC (= liars with 20 phds in liarship).
How could this vessel be stopped ?
If the Greeks stopped it or if the Italians stopped it the 10 traffickers would be arrested.
So they don't.
How brainy one has to be to understand this ?
They would want to be rescued when they sunk but this happened inside two minutes.

Edited June 20, 2023 by cosmicway

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

50 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

According to the BBC (= liars with 20 phds in liarship).
How could this vessel be stopped ?
If the Greeks stopped it or if the Italians stopped it the 10 traffickers would be arrested.
So they don't.
How brainy one has to be to understand this ?
They would want to be rescued when they sunk but this happened inside two minutes.

So they don't stop the boat just so they don't have to arrest them?  Lazy fuckers

[Vesper 28,796]

batshit crazy

millions of the yanks are FUCKED

🥵

This Trump Supporter's Beliefs WILL STUN YOU!

 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Vesper

[cosmicway 1,323]

23 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

So they don't stop the boat just so they don't have to arrest them?  Lazy fuckers

How do you stop a boat when it refuses to receive help ?
There would have to be a fight.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

Same way they stop every other boat, it's not difficult, your telling me your Navy/coast guard is that useless they can't stop a boat of fleeing migrants? What actually happened is they thought ah fuck it, they will be the Italians problem, except they didn't make it to Italy.

Edited June 20, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[cosmicway 1,323]

2 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Same way they stop every other boat, it's not difficult, your telling me your Navy/coast guard is that useless they can't stop a boat of fleeing migrants? What actually happened is they thought ah fuck it, they will be the Italians problem, except they didn't make it to Italy.

Same way ?
Describe.
One way is to fire at the ship - like Rodney v. Bismarck.
The other way is to board the ship using ropes.
Navy does that in the Red Sea with pirate vessels. The commandoes land on the pirate ship and deal karate blows to the pirates.
But how can you do this when a ship is refusing and loaded with 700 people whom you want saved ?

I can imagine a possible scenario involving the coast guard having had a part in this:
They try to tie the ship and tow it.
The trafickers try to disengage.
The ship tilts during the manouver and sinks.
However nobody testified to this - not even the 9 persons who are accused as traffickers (and unlikely to receive favourable treatment by the immigration authority).

Meanwhile before the sinking there was radio communication between the ship the Greek coast guard and a woman from Egypt who is described as an "activist".
She said that there were 6 dead people on the ship.
How ? Why ? We don't know.

The BBC who are notorious liars have made up this story as well as more fantastic stories in the past.
One thing the brexit government running the BBC has against Greece is with the Parthenon marbles as there is a UN resolution for them to be returned.

Edited June 20, 2023 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

According to the BBC (= liars with 20 phds in liarship).
How could this vessel be stopped ?
If the Greeks stopped it or if the Italians stopped it the 10 traffickers would be arrested.
So they don't.
How brainy one has to be to understand this ?
They would want to be rescued when they sunk but this happened inside two minutes.

Not the BBC multiple sources now said the Greek coastguard are covering their arses after lying

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

22 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Same way ?
Describe.
One way is to fire at the ship - like Rodney v. Bismarck.
The other way is to board the ship using ropes.
Navy does that in the Red Sea with pirate vessels. The commandoes land on the pirate ship and deal karate blows to the pirates.
But how can you do this when a ship is refusing and loaded with 700 people whom you want saved ?

I can imagine a possible scenario involving the coast guard having had a part in this:
They try to tie the ship and tow it.
The trafickers try to disengage.
The ship tilts during the manouver and sinks.
However nobody testified to this - not even the 9 persons who are accused as traffickers (and unlikely to receive favourable treatment by the immigration authority).

Meanwhile before the sinking there was radio communication between the ship the Greek coast guard and a woman from Egypt who is described as an "activist".
She said that there were 6 dead people on the ship.
How ? Why ? We don't know.

The BBC who are notorious liars have made up this story as well as more fantastic stories in the past.
One thing the brexit government running the BBC has against Greece is with the Parthenon marbles as there is a UN resolution for them to be returned.

You don't fire at these ships to stop them nor do you force a tow, you either bring the boat to a stop with tactical maneuvers or you simply tail the ship, they can't outrun you they can't loose you, this isn't a car chase, they no they are caught it's only a matter of time. The main factor in all this is it requires effort, which your government/coastguard wasnt prepared to do.

What you don't do to scared vulnerable people to get them to stop, is start shooting at them.

Edited June 20, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[cosmicway 1,323]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Not the BBC multiple sources now said the Greek coastguard are covering their arses after lying

Yes, Erdogan - Qatar.
But I just want to know how.

[cosmicway 1,323]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You don't fire at these ships to stop them nor do you force a tow, you either bring the boat to a stop with tactical maneuvers or you simply tail the ship, they can't outrun you they can't loose you, this isn't a car chase, they no they are caught it's only a matter of time. The main factor in all this is it requires effort, which your government/coastguard wasnt prepared to do.

So you are falling into inconsitencies now.
You are excused because this is typical of mountain people.
You say we tailed and caused the accident but also we did n't, we performed a manouver that proved fatal but also we did n't !
Coast guard says they tailed from a distance and that boarding the ship was ruled out because it was extremely dangerous.
The ship itself did not want any assistance and they radioed back the coast guard saying "we go Italy - we don't need help".
 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

16 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

So you are falling into inconsitencies now.
You are excused because this is typical of mountain people.
You say we tailed and caused the accident but also we did n't, we performed a manouver that proved fatal but also we did n't !
Coast guard says they tailed from a distance and that boarding the ship was ruled out because it was extremely dangerous.
The ship itself did not want any assistance and they radioed back the coast guard saying "we go Italy - we don't need help".
 

No you asked me how you stop a boat, wtf are you on about. Don't ask a question then use the answer to suit your own narrative.

[cosmicway 1,323]

7 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

No you asked me how you stop a boat, wtf are you on about. Don't ask a question then use the answer to suit your own narrative.

So how do you (safely) stop this boat ?