Politics & Stuff

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9 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am an atheist

there is no satan nor god in my worldview

Pence is a psychotic born-again RW xian

They all fucking horrible man...clowns and liers. Dont trust criminals.

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On 09/10/2019 at 8:20 PM, Atomiswave said:

What a disgusting move by Turkey.......if I were Assad I would fire missiles right onto Turkey.

Turkey is NATO

all of NATO would be treaty-bound to parking lot the country (Syria)

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14 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Turkey is NATO

all of NATO would be treaty-bound to parking lot the country (Syria)

Yeah I know mate, been there for 6 years ( Nato ). Still does not mean other countries have to follow suit. If its the wrong move then they wont do shit regarding joining in. THis was a bad move by Erdogan, one he may come to regret. Iran and Russia is still in Syria. You cant just attack and invade part of a country just cuz you believe there is a security risk ( there aint none ). Kurds have no power to fuck Turkey up, if anything kurds inside Turkey are a much higher risk. Its BS is what it is mate, and it could easily escalate if Assad fires back.

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45 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Yeah I know mate, been there for 6 years ( Nato ). Still does not mean other countries have to follow suit. If its the wrong move then they wont do shit regarding joining in. THis was a bad move by Erdogan, one he may come to regret. Iran and Russia is still in Syria. You cant just attack and invade part of a country just cuz you believe there is a security risk ( there aint none ). Kurds have no power to fuck Turkey up, if anything kurds inside Turkey are a much higher risk. Its BS is what it is mate, and it could easily escalate if Assad fires back.

Turkey has been in NATO since 1952

The Cuban Missile Crisis was over the US deployment of PGM-19 Jupiter nuclear missiles in Turkey (and Italy) so the Союз Советских Социалистических Республик (CCCP aka USSR) retaliated by trying to put R-14 Chusovaya nukes in Cuba

 

As for the other NATO countries not doing anything, au contraire. The key section of the treaty is Article 5. Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all.

Collective defence - Article 5

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

The principle of collective defence is at the very heart of NATO’s founding treaty. It remains a unique and enduring principle that binds its members together, committing them to protect each other and setting a spirit of solidarity within the Alliance.

 

Article 5

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Turkey has been in NATO since 1952

The Cuban Missile Crisis was over the US deployment of PGM-19 Jupiter nuclear missiles in Turkey (and Italy) so the Союз Советских Социалистических Республик (CCCP aka USSR) retaliated by trying to put R-14 Chusovaya nukes in Cuba

 

As for the other NATO countries not doing anything, au contraire. The key section of the treaty is Article 5. Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all.

Collective defence - Article 5

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

The principle of collective defence is at the very heart of NATO’s founding treaty. It remains a unique and enduring principle that binds its members together, committing them to protect each other and setting a spirit of solidarity within the Alliance.

 

Article 5

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

 

 

 

 

Yeah but this time its  Nato member attacking....and not the other way around. You cant just attack another country just cause you feel like it or on shady basis and then expect your friends will come helping. It doesnt work like that, and certainly not now. If Assad fires back then Nato will swiftly try to find a solution for Peace, and not immediately join the fight and bombard Syria........if it escalates after that then yes you are right. WHats written in a piece of paper is one thing, joining a war that likely will show to be a big mistake is another. They will try to solve it first, then act if needed......anything other and its bad for business and rep. Thats my experience anyway.

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Yeah but this time its  Nato member attacking....and not the other way around. You cant just attack another country just cause you feel like it or on shady basis and then expect your friends will come helping. It doesnt work like that, and certainly not now. If Assad fires back then Nato will swiftly try to find a solution for Peace, and not immediately join the fight and bombard Syria........if it escalates after that then yes you are right. WHats written in a piece of paper is one thing, joining a war that likely will show to be a big mistake is another. They will try to solve it first, then act if needed......anything other and its bad for business and rep. Thats my experience anyway.

The US attacks the shit out of other nations for no legal reason, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc etc etc.

NATO wont do shit to stop them, hell they HELP.

 

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Wouldn't be surprised if theres a disruption, political stunt at the Turkey v Albania game tonight

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Tice is such a pure CUNT.

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On 12/10/2019 at 0:42 PM, Vesper said:

Tice is such a pure CUNT.

Hassan had him  in a headlock  

Agree about Tice. Left his wife and kids for that whatsherface, posh twat that wrote Camerons bio ? A biography saying Cameron put his cock in a dead pig. Just your typical upper class tradition I suppose 

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Trump is trying to stir up mass murder, this was played at Mar-A-Lago, at a big RW fundraiser this weekend

Trump Kills Fake News (Church of Fake News)

 

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Saturday Parliament (first time in 40 years or so) live stream

BREXIT deal votes

live now

our nation in the balance 

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/8cab9d4a-f095-4ab7-8454-7e5e8fd8f9cd

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On ‎10‎-‎10‎-‎2019 at 11:19 PM, Vesper said:

The US attacks the shit out of other nations for no legal reason, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc etc etc.

NATO wont do shit to stop them, hell they HELP.

 

Sorry about the late reply mate, been out of country.

Yeah US does that and most of us know the reasons. Nato condemed Turkey and wont help out, even talks of sanctions etc, as I said they wont get involved this time around.