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[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

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6 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

It is Islamic extremism that in 2001 was a problem in a small area in Afghanistan and after 15 years of US 'war on terror' is now all over the world. Sigh... 

 

Exactly, that's where it started -instead of concentrating on Wahhabism, and the Saudis that actually caused 9/11, PNAC thought it more exponentially prudent to bomb the fuck out of the Taliban (who'd been Bushs' guests only months before), and that sowed the seeds for years to come of 'blowback'.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Turns out now the prick rang 911 just before his mass murder to pledge allegiance to ISIS

[Spike 12,049]

35 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

He was born in the US, he IS part of the US. 

If you want to be cruel you can say that nothing would have made him more culturally uniform with the US culture than a mass shooting.

It's not a clash of cultures, it's not even religious. It's a global trend towards militant extremism that is attracting people who have been oppressed and disenfranchised in their societies for all sorts of reason. It is Islamic extremism that in 2001 was a problem in a small area in Afghanistan and after 15 years of US 'war on terror' is now all over the world. Sigh... 

I never said he wasn't American nor that he it was culturally, religiously, whatever driven, I said that the media will contort it to fit their narrative. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

21 minutes ago, Spike said:

I never said he wasn't American nor that he it was culturally, religiously, whatever driven, I said that the media will contort it to fit their narrative. 

Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with what you said, more adding to it.

 

46 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Exactly, that's where it started -instead of concentrating on Wahhabism, and the Saudis that actually caused 9/11, PNAC thought it more exponentially prudent to bomb the fuck out of the Taliban (who'd been Bushs' guests only months before), and that sowed the seeds for years to come of 'blowback'.

And they're still protecting the planners and funders of 9/11 by stopping the families of the victims from suing the Saudi royal family and making the investigation report public. And the media doesn't even question it! 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Is it true that he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS before the attack?

[Special Juan 28,100]

12 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Is it true that he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS before the attack?

Reading around it seems he did.

Absolutely horrendous this.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

Reading around it seems he did.

Absolutely horrendous this.

I can't understand people. Even if he was from Afghanistan with muslim parents, the guy was born in America, had a job, had a first wife, then suddenly pledges allegiance to ISIS and kills people. It's just scary to imagine how it feels when someone you know on the street can go on a killing rampage at anytime in his life. 

[Fernando 6,585]

16 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

50 bullets in the first 20 seconds -its mad isn't it ? Yet the NRA will doubtless say its the person that bears full responsibility.

I think even if you ban guns, will it not be able to be bought in the black market? 

It's like drugs, it's illegal but you can't get rid of it. 

So those are the only solution, ban all guns and be faced with a black market or just have everyone a gun to defend themselves. Because maybe if everyone at the club had a gun you might have had less dead.... Or maybe more we don't know. But any option you take it won't be as easy as people paint it to be. 

I personally would like to see how it would go if everyone had a gun..... 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

1 minute ago, Fernando said:

I think even if you ban guns, will it not be able to be bought in the black market? 

It's like drugs, it's illegal but you can't get rid of it. 

So those are the only solution, ban all guns and be faced with a black market or just have everyone a gun to defend themselves. Because maybe if everyone at the club had a gun you might have had less dead.... Or maybe more we don't know. But any option you take it won't be as easy as people paint it to be. 

I personally would like to see how it would go if everyone had a gun..... 

But would you recommend certain types of gun that people kept  ? If you had a Saturday night 'special' and someones coming at you with a Heckler Koch MG43 then thats a bit of a mismatch. Not so much if you had an F2000 or an AK but for some that would be impractical. Even if you had those, some would buy an M203 grenande launcher, which obviously youngsters would find difficult to handle.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

7 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I think even if you ban guns, will it not be able to be bought in the black market? 

It's like drugs, it's illegal but you can't get rid of it. 

So those are the only solution, ban all guns and be faced with a black market or just have everyone a gun to defend themselves. Because maybe if everyone at the club had a gun you might have had less dead.... Or maybe more we don't know. But any option you take it won't be as easy as people paint it to be. 

I personally would like to see how it would go if everyone had a gun..... 

Exactly. If guns are banned, and I illegally smuggle one, then everyone in the vicinity is at my mercy once I pledge allegiance to ISIS. 

The only problem I can't understand is why ordinary citizens are allowed to purchase assault rifles ???? Why is it sold to a non-security official in the first place???

A normal pistol is enough for a citizen to claim he needs for protection but an assault rifle sold to a citizen is unacceptable. The amount of lives lost would be far smaller if he wasn't using an automatic weapon. 

[lucio 5,418]

only people living in areas with bears or such creatures should get guns, otherwise you must be scared of your own shadow.

[Fernando 6,585]

On 6/12/2016 at 3:05 PM, CHOULO19 said:

He was born in the US, he IS part of the US. 

If you want to be cruel you can say that nothing would have made him more culturally uniform with the US culture than a mass shooting.

It's not a clash of cultures, it's not even religious. It's a global trend towards militant extremism that is attracting people who have been oppressed and disenfranchised in their societies for all sorts of reason. It is Islamic extremism that in 2001 was a problem in a small area in Afghanistan and after 15 years of US 'war on terror' is now all over the world. Sigh... 

I think it is religion. 

Because USA has done worse then the middle east in other parts of the world and you don't get this Islamic fanaticism. 

Heck if we go back in time other countries don't worse then USA, like Japan against china and you don't get this fanaticism. 

As it stands it is religion to me. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

4 hours ago, Fernando said:

I think it is religion. 

Because USA has done worse then the middle east in other parts of the world and you don't get this Islamic fanaticism. 

Heck if we go back in time other countries don't worse then USA, like Japan against china and you don't get this fanaticism. 

As it stands it is religion to me. 

Exactly, USA has thrown a nuclear bomb on Japan, Jews were slaughtered time and time again by Hitler. I don't see Japanese or Jews carrying out terrorist attacks around the world as frequently as some Muslims do.

I am a religious person who comes from a very religious nation Nigeria, so I hate to criticize religion but you can't deny that there is a problem with their religion or rather how it is understood. 

[lucio 5,418]

2 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Exactly, USA has thrown a nuclear bomb on Japan, Jews were slaughtered time and time again by Hitler. I don't see Japanese or Jews carrying out terrorist attacks around the world as frequently as some Muslims do.

I am a religious person who lives in a very religious nation Nigeria, so I hate to criticize religion but you can't deny that their is a problem with their religion or rather how it is understood. 

in my opinion, it comes from a very bad origin (muhammad - paedophile, warlord, terrorist himself), so it is rotten to the core, and no surprise that its followers are the most dangerous people on earth.

 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

4 hours ago, Fernando said:

I think it is religion. 

Because USA has done worse then the middle east in other parts of the world and you don't get this Islamic fanaticism. 

Heck if we go back in time other countries don't worse then USA, like Japan against china and you don't get this fanaticism. 

As it stands it is religion to me. 

No, sorry, but you don't get to pretend that you care about LGBT people when it fits your bigoted agenda and then discriminate against them for the rest of the year. I'm not biting...

You think he got the violence from the religion? Ha! There are LITERALLY more than a mass shooting PER DAY on average in the US, mainly because of fanatics like you who refuse to accept gun control laws just so the NRA can keep making billions in profit. 

So, while you're playing your "my made up mythical bullshit is better than yours" game, explain to me how it was 'loving' of US Evangelical Christians to try to force a law onto Uganda making the death penalty the punishment for homosexuality there. Go on..