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[cosmicway 1,323]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

without nukes he could not take Sweden

book it

and no, I am not going to do a massive post on our total defence superstructure (and it IS total, hell, they will pass out battle rifles and anti tank weapons to 80, 85 year olds if need be)

I will leave it at we would be the hardest 10 million person country to invade and conquer without nukes on the planet

we have been planning for Russia to come some day for centuries

plus the cunt would have to push through another insanely hard nation (Finland) to get to us or try a sea invasion via a fucking water buzzsaw, ie the Baltic

Maybe so.
But if NATO is so much afraid of Putin all he has to do is make a shopping list of countries and say to them "let me invade or I use nukes".
But it was n't just the nukes.
The Americans don't want wars.
Also Putin saw how they pulled out of Afghanistan and said "here is the chance".
Finally NATO from all people in the world sent the useless person Liz Truss to Moscow for talks and if Putin had any remaining doubs they were cast aside.

 

[cosmicway 1,323]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

that line of logic did not end well for the Nazi leaders UNDER Hitler

I don't mean that.
I mean Nixon was in charge and made all those decisions, not Kissinger.
Cyprus might have been an exception because at the time Nixon was watergated and maybe had no idea what was going on.

Edited June 4, 2023 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

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[Vesper 28,796]

20 hours ago, cosmicway said:

I don't mean that.
I mean Nixon was in charge and made all those decisions, not Kissinger.
Cyprus might have been an exception because at the time Nixon was watergated and maybe had no idea what was going on.

That logic does not clear Kissinger.

It's a failed variation of the old Nazi bollocks of 'I was only following orders'.

[cosmicway 1,323]

42 minutes ago, Vesper said:

That logic does not clear Kissinger.

It's a failed variation of the old Nazi bollocks of 'I was only following orders'.

Kissinger was fighting communism.
He believed in the domino theory.
The Soviet Union was trying to influence more and more countries and make them either communist or client states.
Whatever his degree of guilt it is second to Nixon's and in Cyprus they created a real mess.

[lucio 5,418]

Biden couldn't have stopped putin. He's like 90 years old and has dementia 

[cosmicway 1,323]

1 hour ago, lucio said:

Biden couldn't have stopped putin. He's like 90 years old and has dementia 

Team America - Liz Truss - Boris are even worse.
In the old days we had KGB spies but the MI5 was catching a few from time to time.
Now οn their doorbells it says "James Robertson - Russian spy".

Edited June 5, 2023 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Kissinger was fighting communism.
He believed in the domino theory

Somebodies political beliefs doesn't justify mass slaughter on an industrial scale. 

[cosmicway 1,323]

4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Somebodies political beliefs doesn't justify mass slaughter on an industrial scale. 

Cambodia borders South Vietnam from the west, or southern Vietnam we should rather say now.
It was the hideout of the Vietkong from which they were making incursions into South Vietnam.
Given that a bloody war was taking place he had to take some action there and so these things happened.
Overall I dislike Kissinger and of cours after all that he eventually gave Vietnam to the communists
but the mass killings there were done by both sides.

[lucio 5,418]

13 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Cambodia borders South Vietnam from the west, or southern Vietnam we should rather say now.
It was the hideout of the Vietkong from which they were making incursions into South Vietnam.
Given that a bloody war was taking place he had to take some action there and so these things happened.
Overall I dislike Kissinger and of cours after all that he eventually gave Vietnam to the communists
but the mass killings there were done by both sides.

These countries are nowhere near America and America had no business getting involved. Let these people fight themselves in the jungle who cares. America is such a cringe nation , hope it collapses entirely 

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

15 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Cambodia borders South Vietnam from the west, or southern Vietnam we should rather say now.
It was the hideout of the Vietkong from which they were making incursions into South Vietnam.
Given that a bloody war was taking place he had to take some action there and so these things happened.
Overall I dislike Kissinger and of cours after all that he eventually gave Vietnam to the communists
but the mass killings there were done by both sides.

That logic suggests it would be OK for Brezhnev and Kruschev to saturate bomb Mexico as they embraced naked capitalism, or for B52s to carpet bomb Athens and Greece into the stone age because of the communist sympathisers

[cosmicway 1,323]

55 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

That logic suggests it would be OK for Brezhnev and Kruschev to saturate bomb Mexico as they embraced naked capitalism, or for B52s to carpet bomb Athens and Greece into the stone age because of the communist sympathisers

Possible.
Parts of Athens were carpet bombed in 1941 by the Luftwaffe then in 1944 by the RAF who were after German targets but they also hit houses.
The communists aimed at world domination.
This is true notwithstanding the equally traitorous actions of the fascists. 
 

[Vesper 28,796]

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[Fernando 6,455]

On 01/06/2023 at 15:07, Vesper said:

your points are RW agitprop

and it is FAR from just Trump's mouth

also

what bad policy errors has Biden made?

1. Open Borders policy

2. Canceling Keystone XL & return to energy dependency

3. Surrendering Afghanistan

4. Vax Mandates & authoritarian COVID Policy

5. Woke policy in military

6. Political targeting & weaponization of DOJ

7. Crime surge. Punishing citizens, rewarding criminals.

8. Wild spending on Green New Deal Nonsense & other payoffs to Democrat donors, lobbyists and voters. 

9. Illegal war in Ukraine. Depleting our munitions and subsidizing corruption

10. Selling his office for profit. 

[Vesper 28,796]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

1. Open Borders policy

2. Canceling Keystone XL & return to energy dependency

3. Surrendering Afghanistan

4. Vax Mandates & authoritarian COVID Policy

5. Woke policy in military

6. Political targeting & weaponization of DOJ

7. Crime surge. Punishing citizens, rewarding criminals.

8. Wild spending on Green New Deal Nonsense & other payoffs to Democrat donors, lobbyists and voters. 

9. Illegal war in Ukraine. Depleting our munitions and subsidizing corruption

10. Selling his office for profit. 

that is all RW bullshit lies and false framings

delusional

let's crush them one at time

 

1. Open Borders policy (there is no 'open borders' policy, that is simply false, laughable in its simplistic attempt to gaslight)

2. Canceling Keystone XL & return to energy dependency (Keystone was an environmental disaster waiting to happen on a multiplicity of levels) energy dependency? The US produces enough petrol, tec etc to fully supply it, BUT Big oil, coal, etc would rather export it for rapacious profiteering.

3. Surrendering Afghanistan (LOL, TRUMP was the one who stupidly signed the deal and set the date thus allowing the Taliban to prepare), not Biden, and it was amazing that Biden pulled out tens of thousands of civilians and military with only one true incident)

4. Vax Mandates & authoritarian COVID Policy (there was no federal across the board vax mandate, that is another lie, now go back to eating your horse paste you numpty CT stooge) Oh, and explain the 700,000 excess US  Covid deaths that occurred from January 2020 onwards, in good part due to Trump and so many other RWers gaslighting and death cult behaviours.

5. Woke policy in military (woke? LOLOL, fuck off, what you and your ilk mean by 'woke' is simple basic human respect of anatomy. You RWers scream about government overreach and then try to ram big gubmint into our bedrooms and into our bodies and reproductive choices.  As a lesbian and a person of colour, I say you can stick your 'anti-woke' up yer arse m8.)

6. Political targeting & weaponization of DOJ (LOLOLOL, Trump literally commanded the DOJ to interfere (Bill Barr, Trump's Attorney General says hello) in his impeachments, and also to try and help do a fucking coup d'etat, he repeatedly tried to get the IRS to audit his political enemies, same as his progenitor in crime, Nixon, did. Trump's very first legal mentor was the insanely thuggish and corrupt Joe McCarthy and Nixon bro, Roy Cohn)

7. Crime surge. Punishing citizens, rewarding criminals. (almost of of the top States in terms of violence and gun murders are red, Republican controlled ones,- Punishing what citizens? are you whingeing about the traitorous January 6 vermin insurrectionists? You know, the traitors that TRUMP has vowed to pardon. should the cunt ever become POTUS again.)

8. Wild spending on Green New Deal Nonsense & other payoffs to Democrat donors, lobbyists and voters. (Trump rang up far more debt in his four years than Biden has, especially due to his trillions in tax cuts for the top 0.1%. Also, Pro tip: The Green New Deal never remotely came close to passing. You really are ignorant of US legislation. all you have is your delusional. fact-free RW talking points. I wager there is a good chance you think anthropogenic climate change is a hoax.)

9. Illegal war in Ukraine. Depleting our munitions and subsidizing corruption (Illegal war in Ukraine?!? How stupid can you be? RUSSIA illegally invaded Ukraine. THAT is the illegal war. The US and NATO have never directly went in and fought the Russians face to face. You sound like a Putin stooge, who would just sit on your haunches whilst Putin tries to semi recreate the Old Warsaw Pact/Soviet Union as much as possible by gobbling up vast chunks of Europe. As for MIC (military industrial complex) corruption, the Republicans have used their power FAR more often than the Dems (the Dems, of course are also guilty, but nothing remotely to the level of the Republicans) for decades to steal trillions.

10. Selling his office for profit.  (amongst the most blatant of the lies, Biden has not used the POTUS to profiteer (prove it, come on big talker, do it), unlike Trump who ripped off the US taxpayers for thens  (likely hundreds) of millions of US dollars with assorted grafts and grifts ( just one example: forcing the US Secret Service and other US Government agencies to pay TRUMP'S own properties and firms millions upon millions of USD in inflated rates for the full 4 years of his term). As for family grifting, let's discuss the Saudis giving Trump's' son-in-law Jared Kushner 2 BILLION usd to play with in his personal investment firm, a firm that has often had ruinous results (see 666 Fifth Ave in NYC for example). Let's discuss the tens of millions in tax fraud and graft that the state of NY convicted (and shut down) the Trump Foundation of, along with the scam Trump University.)

 

you spew nothing but RW bullshit

Edited June 8, 2023 by Vesper

[Fernando 6,455]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

that is all RW bullshit lies and false framings

delusional

let's crush them one at time

 

1. Open Borders policy (there is no 'open borders' policy, that is simply false, laughable in its simplistic attempt to gaslight)

2. Canceling Keystone XL & return to energy dependency (Keystone was an environmental disaster waiting to happen on a multiplicity of levels) energy dependency? The US produces enough petrol, tec etc to fully supply it, BUT Big oil, coal, etc would rather export it for rapacious profiteering.

3. Surrendering Afghanistan (LOL, TRUMP was the one who stupidly signed the deal and set the date thus allowing the Taliban to prepare), not Biden, and it was amazing that Biden pulled out tens of thousands of civilians and military with only one true incident)

4. Vax Mandates & authoritarian COVID Policy (there was no federal across the board vax mandate, that is another lie, now go back to eating your horse paste you numpty CT stooge) Oh, and explain the 700,000 excess US  Covid deaths that occurred from January 2020 onwards, in good part due to Trump and so many other RWers gaslighting and death cult behaviours.

5. Woke policy in military (woke? LOLOL, fuck off, what you and your ilk mean by 'woke' is simple basic human respect of anatomy. You RWers scream about government overreach and then try to ram big gubmint into our bedrooms and into our bodies and reproductive choices.  As a lesbian and a person of colour, I say you can stick your 'anti-woke' up yer arse m8.)

6. Political targeting & weaponization of DOJ (LOLOLOL, Trump literally commanded the DOJ to interfere (Bill Barr, Trump's Attorney General says hello) in his impeachments, and also to try and help do a fucking coup d'etat, he repeatedly tried to get the IRS to audit his political enemies, same as his progenitor in crime, Nixon, did. Trump's very first legal mentor was the insanely thuggish and corrupt Joe McCarthy and Nixon bro, Roy Cohn)

7. Crime surge. Punishing citizens, rewarding criminals. (almost of of the top States in terms of violence and gun murders are red, Republican controlled ones,- Punishing what citizens? are you whingeing about the traitorous January 6 vermin insurrectionists? You know, the traitors that TRUMP has vowed to pardon. should the cunt ever become POTUS again.)

8. Wild spending on Green New Deal Nonsense & other payoffs to Democrat donors, lobbyists and voters. (Trump rang up far more debt in his four years than Biden has, especially due to his trillions in tax cuts for the top 0.1%. Also, Pro tip: The Green New Deal never remotely came close to passing. You really are ignorant of US legislation. all you have is your delusional. fact-free RW talking points. I wager there is a good chance you think anthropogenic climate change is a hoax.)

9. Illegal war in Ukraine. Depleting our munitions and subsidizing corruption (Illegal war in Ukraine?!? How stupid can you be? RUSSIA illegally invaded Ukraine. THAT is the illegal war. The US and NATO have never directly went in and fought the Russians face to face. You sound like a Putin stooge, who would just sit on your haunches whilst Putin tries to semi recreate the Old Warsaw Pact/Soviet Union as much as possible by gobbling up vast chunks of Europe. As for MIC (military industrial complex) corruption, the Republicans have used their power FAR more often than the Dems (the Dems, of course are also guilty, but nothing remotely to the level of the Republicans) for decades to steal trillions.

10. Selling his office for profit.  (amongst the most blatant of the lies, Biden has not used the POTUS to profiteer (prove it, come on big talker, do it), unlike Trump who ripped off the US taxpayers for thens  (likely hundreds) of millions of US dollars with assorted grafts and grifts ( just one example: forcing the US Secret Service and other US Government agencies to pay TRUMP'S own properties and firms millions upon millions of USD in inflated rates for the full 4 years of his term). As for family grifting, let's discuss the Saudis giving Trump's' son-in-law Jared Kushner 2 BILLION usd to play with in his personal investment firm, a firm that has often had ruinous results (see 666 Fifth Ave in NYC for example). Let's discuss the tens of millions in tax fraud and graft that the state of NY convicted (and shut down) the Trump Foundation of, along with the scam Trump University.)

 

you spew nothing but RW bullshit

1 and 2 won't comment,  we will agree to disagree on that one. 

on 3. President Trump had a power sharing agreement with the Taliban and many conditions had to be met. Biden just surrendered and left. He incompetently went against the military recommendation to keep the Bagrum airbase open to aid in the evacuation of us citizens and personnel.

On the other as well we will agree to disagree. 

But on 9. Russia was emboldened by Afghanistan and likely never would have invaded Ukraine under Trump. We know this because they didn't! Russia was aggressive under Bush, Obama & Biden, but sat out the Trump presidency. Congress has not voted to authorize US support for Ukraine in their border dispute with Russia. Most people don't realize that it was actually Ukraine who was the aggressor. Saint Zelenskyy was attacking Russians in the border territories of Donetsk and Luhansk. Putin was defending Russians in that territory. While I don't agree with Putin's decesion to invade Ukraine in response, I think it's important for the full context to be widely reported, which it's not. And the USA has no business courting a traditionally Russian territory and neighbor to join NATO.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

Left wing, right wing, when will you politics lovers realise every single government on the planet is currupt as fuck. It really doesn't matter who's in charge the end results are always the same, WE the little worker antz get trodden on time and time again, debate it all you want, every single politician in the world is massive cunt. 

[Vesper 28,796]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Left wing, right wing, when will you politics lovers realise every single government on the planet is currupt as fuck. It really doesn't matter who's in charge the end results are always the same, WE the little worker antz get trodden on time and time again, debate it all you want, every single politician in the world is massive cunt. 

lol if you think Biden and the US Dems are left wing

the  yanks have a two party system by Constitutional design default

they have no proportional representation, and use a first past the post majoritarian single member district construct

the centrist to centre right Democrats, who are corporatists and Blairite/Clintonian 3rd way neoliberals for the vast part

and a now batshit crazy chistofash, white nationalist troglodytic Republican party that revels in ignorance, hatred and violence, all whilst utter shilling out for the oligarchs