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[Fernando 6,585]

On 28/03/2023 at 13:23, Fulham Broadway said:

130 mass shootings in the US since January. 10 000 people shot to death so far this year.

Is the NRA right ? 'guns dont kill people, people kill people'

Maybe the gun has something to do with it, just a hunch.

The problem is that guns will come from Russia or something like that. 
It won't change anything. 

Example NYC has the strictest gun law and people have a lot here. 

That being said if you notice the crimes, is everyone doing it. 

If it was racist you could say, but it's everyone, black, white, latino and trans. 

So it's the people. And not to say that seems to happen here. Don't hear about this happening in China or Russia or something like that. 

So again there's something wrong with out people. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

The problem is that guns will come from Russia or something like that. 
It won't change anything. 

Example NYC has the strictest gun law and people have a lot here. 

That being said if you notice the crimes, is everyone doing it. 

If it was racist you could say, but it's everyone, black, white, latino and trans. 

So it's the people. And not to say that seems to happen here. Don't hear about this happening in China or Russia or something like that. 

So again there's something wrong with out people. 

It's a real tragedy -we know the answer it's anti-gun legislation, but the gun lobby, and peoples long held belief in the 'right to bear arms' makes it almost impossible within the realms of Republicanism/Democratic bipartisanship. Even the fact that 300 children have been killed by guns this year is swept under the carpet. I remember one of my American University lecturers saying the only way it would change if some Senators, Presidents children and families were massacred because so many of them are in the pockets of the NRA. It's heartbreaking knowing that innocent civilians, children, will be slaughtered in the coming months, and the same old tropes will be trotted out by the corporate media.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

It's a real tragedy -we know the answer it's anti-gun legislation, but the gun lobby, and peoples long held belief in the 'right to bear arms' makes it almost impossible within the realms of Republicanism/Democratic bipartisanship. Even the fact that 300 children have been killed by guns this year is swept under the carpet. I remember one of my American University lecturers saying the only way it would change if some Senators, Presidents children and families were massacred because so many of them are in the pockets of the NRA. It's heartbreaking knowing that innocent civilians, children, will be slaughtered in the coming months, and the same old tropes will be trotted out by the corporate media.

Well I hope they do ban guns for your argument. 

But watch it won't change anything. It will come to the US just like drugs. You can't get rid of it unless you ban worldwide, and we know that is never going to happen. 

That being said it will help a bit, as it will stop it from places in the US to get it for easy. But that's about it. 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Fernando

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

11 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Well I hope they do ban guns for your argument. 

But watch it won't change anything.

I think it would dramatically reduce the deaths and maiming. You are right there would still be illegal guns, but making it an offence to have one would overnight reduce the killing. But sadly we know it will not happen, whilst there are more guns than people in the US.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Are you a language defender ?
In Italy prime minister ms Meloni is soon to enact a new law prohibiting the English language:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/01/europe/italian-government-penalize-english-words-intl/index.html

That reminds of Cato the censor, but in Greece George Papadopoulos did a similar trick back in 1967: The words <<hotel>> and <<institut>> were forbidden. Thus <<institut Francais>> had to change its name and <<Pasteur institute>> did likewise.

I am in two minds.
Recently a friend posted in facebook a list of about 30 Greek words and the equivalent imported words we normaly tend to use, thus insulting the Greek language as he maintained.
One example is the lift. We don't say lift, we say "ascensceur" in this case -the French word- but the Greek word is "anelkystir" or "anelkystiras" rather.
I did this: Counted the vowel sounds in the foreign words and the vowel sounds in the Greek words. The count was foreign = 80, Greek = 120.
So I said to him "here is your explanation - with your words we reach Kalamata before we utter a sentence, with the other ones it's easier".
Because he is a mathematician he accepted the explanation as valid.

The English language enthusiasts, in Trump country mostly, expresss similar sentiments as those of ms Meloni in Italy, but I hesitate.
Speaking of Trump country what about my aunt from Chicago ? She used to speak half and half. Woud they send the carabinieri after her ?
What is your opinion ?

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

On 03/04/2023 at 11:11, Fulham Broadway said:

I think it would dramatically reduce the deaths and maiming. You are right there would still be illegal guns, but making it an offence to have one would overnight reduce the killing. But sadly we know it will not happen, whilst there are more guns than people in the US.

Forget guns... start "small" by banning assault weapons first. 😉

The arguments for assault weapon possession being allowed in the US are the the most ridiculous things you will hear.
But then again, if even the Uvalde massacre wasn't enough to move the needle... 🤷‍♂️

[cosmicway 1,333]

HOW METACOMMUNISM WILL DESTROY THE WORLD

I don't know which way you vote, Trump, Boris, Keir, Orban, Julio Iglesias but here is a simple example of how meracommunism will destroy the world:
You can't refute this if you are so inclined.

In my town there are three big carpet galleries. One of them belongs to an old schoolmate of mine but that's beside the point.
They produce quality stuff.
At the same time there are the gypsy people who sell some home made carpets in the flea markets uptown.
Those carpets are of poor quality as you might expect, yet they may fit some purposes and also some poor home owners would buy those rather than the expensive ones.
What happens ?
The two or three big naturally want to destroy the gypsy vendors: What is this ? they should go back to stealing cars.
So they push for draconian tax laws to be enacted to drive the gypsy markets out of business.

At the same time we have the woke-marxist leninist opposition parties in parliament.
What about those ?
Well, on paper they hate both. The galleries should become extinct, the open air vendors should also become extinct, so the glorious party controls the economy
and turns all the people into mindless robots. Because that's what communism is supposed to be doing.
In reality the wokies-marxists are looking at us from their luxury residences in Viareggio, Lake Constance but it does n't matter.

So the unholy alliance was born and sooner or later they get all of us.
It's "first they came for the gypsies".
 

Edited April 5, 2023 by cosmicway

[manpe 10,861]

On 03/04/2023 at 19:56, Fernando said:

Well I hope they do ban guns for your argument. 

But watch it won't change anything. It will come to the US just like drugs. You can't get rid of it unless you ban worldwide, and we know that is never going to happen. 

That being said it will help a bit, as it will stop it from places in the US to get it for easy. But that's about it. 

Tell me this: is it easier and quicker to kill 20 people with a knife or an AR rifle that you can currently purchase legally? Yes, people kill people, but it's what those people use for killing that determines how many they kill. You don't really hear about mass stabbings for some reason, only mass shootings. 🤔 I wonder why...

Edited April 5, 2023 by manpe

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

Tell me this: is it easier and quicker to kill 20 people with a knife or an AR rifle that you can currently purchase legally? Yes, people kill people, but it's what those people use for killing that determines how many they kill. You don't really hear about mass stabbings for some reason, only mass shootings. 🤔 I wonder why...

If you really want to achieve "mass killings" you would use chemicals, guns and knifes are chosen for a specific task, AR are used to kill alot of people quickly and a range that's considered safe for the shooter and isn't very personal, as most mass killing entry wounds are in the back, a rifle compared to a knife for obvious reason doesn't allow most people to run away, were as knife attacks are for close quarters suprise attackers, stabbing some one is alot more personal than shooting some one, therefore knife attacks are normally used for a specific target. The real problem is people, knifes and guns are harmless without a complete idiot holding it.

Edited April 5, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

12 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Forget guns... start "small" by banning assault weapons first. 😉

The arguments for assault weapon possession being allowed in the US are the the most ridiculous things you will hear.
But then again, if even the Uvalde massacre wasn't enough to move the needle... 🤷‍♂️

Banning assault weapons is simply masking a problem, you can do mass shooting with a pistol just as easier as with a AR if you have experience with guns,. Which let's be honest most mass shootings the shooter is generally a avid gun user. I've been to America and being in a few firearms shops over there, the amount of firearms and variations of firearms on offer for people to buy was crazy, I joined the military at 16 so have been around guns all my adult life in the UK, the thought of your average Joe going into a firearms shop and buying some of the most powerful firearms on the planet over a counter makes my skin crawl.

Edited April 5, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

19 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

If you really want to achieve "mass killings" you would use chemicals, guns and knifes are chosen for a specific task, AR are used to kill alot of people quickly and a range that's considered safe for the shooter and isn't very personal, as most mass killing entry wounds are in the back, a rifle compared to a knife for obvious reason doesn't allow most people to run away, were as knife attacks are for close quarters suprise attackers, stabbing some one is alot more personal than shooting some one, therefore knife attacks are normally used for a specific target. The real problem is people, knifes and guns are harmless without a complete idiot holding it.

You're right ,. It's easy to pull a trigger and kill someone from far away in a fit of anger. Stabbing takes a lot more.

Guns are only really designed and used to kill. Knives are a useful tool that has been around for millennia. World would be a lot better if guns were never invented.

[cosmicway 1,333]

What they say a lot is that they need them against the Brits.
While I 'm sure the Brits will get their act together one day and return, how is that going to work if their national guard is defeated ?
Also they could make a contingency plan so just before the national guard is defeated they start giving those guns around to the werewolf partisans - they don't need to sell them in shops.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

40 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

What they say a lot is that they need them against the Brits.
While I 'm sure the Brits will get their act together one day and return, how is that going to work if their national guard is defeated ?
Also they could make a contingency plan so just before the national guard is defeated they start giving those guns around to the werewolf partisans - they don't need to sell them in shops.

 

51 minutes ago, lucio said:

You're right ,. It's easy to pull a trigger and kill someone from far away in a fit of anger. Stabbing takes a lot more.

Guns are only really designed and used to kill. Knives are a useful tool that has been around for millennia. World would be a lot better if guns were never invented.

I've heard this numerous of times, "it's me right to own and carry a gun as a American I won't give that right up" ok sound, let's continue to have kids slaughtered in there schools so you can keep your "right to own a gun" it's absolutely madness, surely a better"right" is to be able to send your 7 8 9 year old child to school, knowing next time you see them, they wont be full of holes.

 

[lucio 5,418]

22 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

 

I've heard this numerous of times, "it's me right to own and carry a gun as a American I won't give that right up" ok sound, let's continue to have kids slaughtered in there schools so you can keep your "right to own a gun" it's absolutely madness, surely a better"right" is to be able to send your 7 8 9 year old child to school, knowing next time you see them, they wont be full of holes.

 

Disgusting really. They need guns to feel safe because they are scared of other people with guns. Never ending cycle. 

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

56 minutes ago, lucio said:

Disgusting really. They need guns to feel safe because they are scared of other people with guns. Never ending cycle. 

 

Problem now is you will never end that cycle, you can never get rid of guns in the US now there are far to many, and to even try, will most likely end up in civil war.