OhForAGreavsie 6,111 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 That is seriously an annoying attempt at a rebuttal. Straw man argument.I need that explained I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Then why are the 21s doing so badly?Great argument. Clearly they blow.Why is the first team doing so badly? Last Sicarius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Dailyfail.Although i wouldn't put it past us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 i'd rather send the stupid manager on loan. grow some balls ffs. Last Sicarius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,111 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Great argument. Clearly they blow.Why is the first team doing so badly?Because a critical mass of our squad members are not good enough and, unlike last season, our difference makers are not papering over the cracks. The Skipper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Good for him. If other young talents can play in their club he needs to do it in our club. I really cant take it why we play Ramires... iseah100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Where will he go? Feel like most clubs he can go to wouldn't improve him much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Where will he go? Feel like most clubs he can go to wouldn't improve him much.he will improve with playing time .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 he will improve with playing time ..Which he's not getting here. zolayes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Because a critical mass of our squad members are not good enough and, unlike last season, our difference makers are not papering over the cracks.My argument is, that if this is the case, why are we not just using this platform to develop our younger players with great potential (Musonda, RLC, etc.) at the highest level? There has to be a silver lining in this chaotic situation we're in at the moment but we're just not seeing it/utilising it. bethos1 and lucio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Sell and insert a buyout clause. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 It will be a disaster if we send him out on loan.This is the perfect time for him to gain experience. I mean, we're not competing for the title anymore and a top 4 looks unrealistic, so why not play the guy?!There wont be a better time than now. I appreciate the work Jose has done for us and he will always have my faith and support to remain at the club but denying this talent the opportunity is just worse than our current situation. Blue_Fox_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'd settle for a midfielder who can pass the ball (forward!) and make forward runs which may cause opponent some trouble and open up spaces for our struggling AMs.Marek Hamík is your man mate we still haven't replace lampard right ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The comment to which I replied claimed that there is more talent in our U21 squad than in the majority of first teams everywhere. The players listed are not a part of our U21 squad. Everywhere is a big place, but if we limit it to high level football the statement still wouldn't be true even if those players were currently at Cobham.I say this as someone who is a big fan of our development squads, who watches more development games than most I suspect, and who is a long term defender of our Academy when it has come under attack.I'm talking about talent. A big part of talent is potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Ruben Loftus-Cheek ready for January loan if teenager can't break into Chelsea first XIOh jolly. Now Mourinho has his excuse if people question why he hasn't used Loftus-Cheek more often. iceboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Ruben Loftus-Cheek ready for January loan if teenager can't break into Chelsea first XIloan out Mikel instead i rather have RLC in the squad than Mikel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,111 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'm talking about talent. A big part of talent is potential. The post didn't say potential. I responded to what was written.Talent is no part of potential.It's the unchanging factor. Players will develop and learn to apply their talent in advantageous ways or they won't, but talent is talent, and it's fixed. Kennedy has strengths but it won't matter a jot how many hundreds of hours he spends practising, he is never going to be Lionel Messi. Achieving your potential is about polishing what you have and learning to apply it.We have some talented lads in the development squads and among the loan army, but, based on what I've seen, none of them is yet demanding first team minutes with their performances. For example, I love Kennedy's hustle but he lacks finesse, whereas Ruben's finesse is almost there but he lacks hustle. Combine the two and we have a player but as it stands that's not the case. Essien19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 My argument is, that if this is the case, why are we not just using this platform to develop our younger players with great potential (Musonda, RLC, etc.) at the highest level? There has to be a silver lining in this chaotic situation we're in at the moment but we're just not seeing it/utilising it.Because Jose, the club, and people are in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Marek Hamík is your man mate we still haven't replace lampard right ffsSure but that's luxury! Pogba... even Witsel would provide vast improvement over over what we got - imo.When I discuss Ramires (or specially Mikel) I usually point out that there are several - completely affordable and much superior - players out there.Kondogbia (now at Inter), Sneiderling (before moving to United), Victor Wannyama (still at soton)... These are from the top of my head and I am not even including youngsters. The players I've just listed are players who will consistently maintain you a certain performance level.BTW, RLC is so young and unfinished that we don't even know what his best position is. However! he does possess better technique than Ramires and Mikel. the wes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Loaning RLC out ? Anyone working for our youth program will be like : DDA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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