Kevin de Bruyne

[LAM09 7,043]

41 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

I suspect some might even prepared a 'draft post' for it. When any ex-Chelsea score, quick, copy paste and post it in his thread.

I very much doubt it will happen, but clauses can always be inserted. Follow the Thorgan example in the unlikely scenario. 

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

If Fabio Borini scores in back to back games the knifes will be getting sharpened ready to come out if he nets in the third.

Nah, I know that Fabio Borini is average. Look, even Fabio Di Santo had purple patch recently (scored 13 in the league last season).

But KdB is a gem, bought for 9m€, since he started playing for Belgium he was their best player immediately, at the age of 21. And everyone knew his potential, even Mourinho said so many nice things during pre-season.

That's why it's so hard in this particular case as it could have been avoided ! But I get over it because we have Boga, Musonda who are gems, ridiculous talents.

[Stats 7,142]

1 hour ago, RoyalBlues said:

Just curious, IF we sell Oscar to another big club and then he managed to 'prove it wrong'  somehow the following season, will there be a same reaction like in here? Or 'double standard' for that case?

No. Because KDB was not given much of an opportunity here. Oscar has played loads of games for us and been consistently average so major difference.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

1 hour ago, DYC. said:

Nahh, it's not the same. Oscar has been given more chances than he deserved. Four full seasons is an eternity and he's been crap since the first month of 2015.

If he does succeed somewhere else immediately, Chelsea/English football isn't the right environment for him. I think he's better off in the Serie A. Or the Bundesliga. I hope Wolfsburg are hot for Chelsea property again.

 

34 minutes ago, Fernando said:

No because he got time here. 

What get most people is that you didn't give him much of a chance to play. 

I mean for crying out loud Mourinho was able to give so many chances to Ivanovic to regain his form but doesn't give much to a younger payer after one mistake. 

 

22 minutes ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

KdB started his last Premier League game in August 2013, then he had 4 idle months before being sold in January.

It's completely diffrent ! We can't even say if KdB couldn't "cut it" in Chelsea as he hadn't got opportunities to do so.

I don't know what attitude KdB showed but people please remember that Mourinho couldn't stop praising Kevin during pre-season !

 

9 minutes ago, Stats said:

No. Because KDB was not given much of an opportunity here. Oscar has played loads of games for us and been consistently average so major difference.

That is something to be proved first that it will not ever happened. But, considering the trends reactions in most of our ex players thread when they scored or having a good run, I don't think there will be any different with Oscar if he indeed succeed in another club. Someone will always coming out for it and asking something like, 'why we sell him again?' reaction, never mind how much the time he spent here, because in everybody's mind will only have the thought of 'we messed up again, man'. 

Point that he do the same thing like KDB did, if we sell Oscar to Wolfsburg and he did well, how if the same thing happened, City or MU perhaps buy him and he do 'well' like KDB this season? Viola, we would get exactly the same kind of reaction in Oscar thread on ex-Chelsea section. If not, that is a 'double standard' then.

[Special Juan 28,133]

I have no worries about Oscar coming back to bite us because 1. He's been here long enough and is tried and tested, and 2. He's fucking dog shit.

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10 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

 

 

 

That is something to be proved first that it will not ever happened. But, considering the trends reactions in most of our ex players thread when they scored or having a good run, I don't think there will be any different with Oscar if he indeed succeed in another club. Someone will always coming out for it and asking something like, 'why we sell him again?' reaction, never mind how much the time he spent here, because in everybody's mind will only have the thought of 'we messed up again, man'. 

Point that he do the same thing like KDB did, if we sell Oscar to Wolfsburg and he did well, how if the same thing happened, City or MU perhaps buy him and he do 'well' like KDB this season? Viola, we would get exactly the same kind of reaction in Oscar thread on ex-Chelsea section. If not, that is a 'double standard' then.

Well Kalou is doing tremendously well at Hertha Berlin and did so at Lille. Look at his thread. And he was better fo us than Oscar was for us, so I disagree with that.

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1 minute ago, Stats said:

Well Kalou is doing tremendously well at Hertha Berlin and did so at Lille. Look at his thread. And he was better fo us than Oscar was for us, so I disagree with that.

Are you trying to pointed out one of the exception? Look at other ex-players threads I suggest, as I said most, not all of it.

[Stats 7,142]

17 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

Are you trying to pointed out one of the exception? Look at other ex-players threads I suggest, as I said most, not all of it.

So what is your explanation for the lack of dicussion in Kalou's thread? He is one who we sold who has gone on to score goals for fun.

The truth is KDB is a world class player and many of us at the time were annoyed he was not given enough chances. He was so young at the time too.

If Oscar leaves and does wonders at his new club that is good for him however I would not say we made the wrong decision because his time here has been full of inconsistent performances.

Players like Lukaku and KDB were let go too early without being given the minutes to prove themselves hence the reactions. Players like Kalou and co were sold and got fair share of minutes and were inconsistent but ultimately do I think the move was best for us and player? Yes.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

2 minutes ago, Stats said:

So what is your explanation for the lack of dicussion in Kalou's thread? He is one who we sold who has gone on to score goals for fun.

The truth is KDB is a world class player and many of us at the time were annoyed he was not given enough chances. He was so young at the time too.

If Oscar leaves and does wonders at his new club that is good for him however I would not say we made the wrong decision because his time here has been full of inconsitent performances.

Players like Lukaku and KDB were let go too early without being given the minutes to prove themselves hence the reactions. Players like Kalou and co were but ultimately do I think the move was best for us and player? Yes.

Kalou age, fully developed as a player (no more room of 'big' improvements), play as a sub most of the time in his last season here, play in a league with 'weaker' opponents there, he is well suited with the team there, he done it because he has got enough chances there, we've got better players than him in his position considering last seasons team performance, etc, why nobody crying for him. Think it should be enough reasons.

Again it is need to be proved it first for Oscar. The 'trends' at the moment, would say otherwise.

[The Mak 4,459]

3 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

No one knows why the ginger maestro left. But to say it was Mourinhos sole decision is stupid. There are six people including Buck and Emanalo along with the owner and manager that have a casting vote on ins and outs of playing staff. I would also tend to believe a belgian journo over someone with random letters and numbers on a forum, as a moniker, and its a bit disingenuous to disrespect and say everyone here is up mourinhos arse. I also for some reason cant take anyone seriously who calls him Mou ?. 

 

 

As much I usually agree with you, I have to completely disagree with this one.

Mourinho forced the KDB sale by refusing to play him - it's 90% on Mourinho. It's clear from the interviews that KDB is very much a confidence player who needs to feel wanted but KDB himself has said that Mourinho wouldn't even speak to him - he wouldn't even tell him why he wasn't in the team. I'm sorry, but that is fucking atrocious management; especially considering the boy is now being considered as one of the best two-footed players in the game right now.  

Now, I know I was also saying how much the board was at fault for our current position, but that was because they replaced these players very poorly. In KDB's case, maybe the board could've tried to send him on loan instead of sell him, but, in all honesty, WTF would've been the point in that when they and KDB knew the manager wanted nothing to do with him? In KDB's mind he was never getting a chance at Chelsea under Mourinho, so what was the point in staying at Chelsea? Maybe if Mourinho bothered to do some actual man management and encouraged him in some form, he may have stayed on the books someway, but he didn't. 

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3 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

Kalou age, fully developed as a player (no more room of 'big' improvements), play as a sub most of the time in his last season here, play in a league with 'weaker' opponents there, he is well suited with the team there, he done it because he has got enough chances there, we've got better players than him in his position considering last seasons team performance, etc, why nobody crying for him. Think it should be enough reasons.

Again it is need to be proved it first for Oscar. The 'trends' at the moment, would say otherwise.

All I can say to that is Oscar might be younger and not fully developed but he has got more than enough chances here. The players that you see people moaning about are justified by 1 because we know they did not get enough chances or 2, they are better than the ones we kept here (Mata and KDB are better than Oscar).

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

1 hour ago, Stats said:

All I can say to that is Oscar might be younger and not fully developed but he has got more than enough chances here. The players that you see people moaning about are justified by 1 because we know they did not get enough chances or 2, they are better than the ones we kept here (Mata and KDB are better than Oscar).

or 3, we dumped the player, but it happened he could do much better at another team than when he was here, never mind we already have a better player than him or not.

Actually, if Oscar did the same route like KDB, than it could be fall in on your second point though.

[Fernando 6,585]

We just see a player that Mourinho bought and now the difference with Felipe Luis.

You can't just get any more example at how it was the fault of Mourinho for a lot of the players downturn.

Felipe Luis is back to being boss with Simeone at Atletico.

It truly was down to Mourinho woeful man management.

He was good in the past now he's just a shadow.

 

[Essien19 1,415]

Kevin trained here for a few months, so he had opportunities to shine.

When he's not playing, his attitude is not the best ask, just ask Allofs.

Kevin needed time to mature, happens in life.

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[Fernando 6,585]

1 minute ago, Essien19 said:

Kevin trained here for a few months, so he had opportunities to shine.

When he's not playing, his attitude is not the best ask, just ask Allofs.

Kevin needed time to mature, happens in life.

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Nah it's now clear that it's Mourinho.

Loses player at Real now at Chelsea.

Totally different Mourinho from the first time. He just lost it and is just a shadow.

Simeone today is what Mourinho used to be before.