Our best players are our problems

[Fernando 6,585]

The media got you too then lol. Kidding, he isn't the best like Thiago Silva but has all the attributes to be the best/exciting defender in the world. I mean what other defender came into the league and won player of the month in there first month. It took Vidic about 2 seasons too adjust and pique never could, still those two are regarded as two of the very best. (Even though i don't rate Pique their personally) David is so skilled, it's an abolsoute joy too see him play. When he finds the acceptable balance for the media maybe then some people will truly see.

Yeah I agreed. I wonder if AVB will play DL as RB with Cahill in the CB.

Do you think he will be better there?

[nullabletype 987]

I know the team is putting in some abysmal performances right now, but we are not in the crisis situation so many would have you believe. Our fan base has such spoilt brat feel to it at times. It's quite sad.

We're in the middle of a transition period, something that doesn't happen overnight, over a month, six months or even a season. We more than likely have a few rough seasons ahead of us, seasons of rebuilding. There's teams all over the country going bankrupt and folding over whilst we all sit on here whining because we can't get the best players right now. We aren't content with being 4th place in what is arguably the best league in the world. As somebody who expects little from this team over the next few years I'm not overly bothered about where we are, in fact, given how poor we are right now, 4th place isn't to shabby. Every team is in the position they are in because that's where they deserve to be.

The club isn't going to be completely overhauled any time soon, basically because it's virtually impossible to do. So with that in mind, why don't we just accept what we have and focus on supporting that?

[eldo 868]

The media got you too then lol. Kidding, he isn't the best like Thiago Silva but has all the attributes to be one of the best/exciting defenders in the world. I mean what other defender came into the league and won player of the month in there first month. It took Vidic about 2 seasons too adjust and pique never could, still those two are regarded as two of the very best. (Even though i don't rate Pique their personally) David is so skilled, it's an abolsoute joy too see him play. When he finds the acceptable balance for the media maybe then some people will wake the fuck up.

Lmao I'm not media muppet, I ignore them.

Yes David has the potential to be great player, but he needs to get rid of those silly mistakes and he should concentrate more. Yesterday he was great, but sometimes you can see him being lost there in the box leaving players unmarked.

I know it takes time to get used to new league, but he's soon going to be 25. He needs to fulfil that potential soon.

[eldo 868]

A great world-class forward = one of the best 20 players in the world. (that is why Mata ain't one).

A great world class midfielder not necessarily = one of the best 20 players in the world. (Modric is definitely one of the best midfielders in this world) .

I don't understand.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Yeah I agreed. I wonder if AVB will play DL as RB with Cahill in the CB.

Do you think he will be better there?

Not sure, I think Ivanovic should play their or we should buy Azpilicueta. Anything to get Bosingwa out. He probably could play their but I think the fact that he is a centre back is what makes him so mesmorising. Either way, if we get Azpilicueta too, it is, for once, a good predicament to be in.

[zolayes 14,489]

Lmao I'm not media muppet, I ignore them.

Yes David has the potential to be great player, but he needs to get rid of those silly mistakes and he should concentrate more. Yesterday he was great, but sometimes you can see him being lost there in the box leaving players unmarked.

I know it takes time to get used to new league, but he's soon going to be 25. He needs to fulfil that potential soon.

sorry eldo but if Luiz was our biggest problem we would we well ahead of City now

[eldo 868]

sorry eldo but if Luiz was our biggest problem we would we well ahead of City now

I didn't say that.

We have other problems. But how is Mata being our best player a problem?

[Joker10 946]

Who would have sturridge started instead in man city ? Aguero , Balotelli , Dzeko , Silva , Nasri ?! Mancini is either bluffing their , playing mind games before our match or he is a worse manager than Grant.

Mata is a great player but he is still not as good as those players who consistently make the difference and win games for their teams .

Sturridge would start over Nasri and Dzeko first of all. Him and Balotelli are on the same level. He would probably not start every game then again even Aguero rotates in City attack.

I think you are underrating him and our rivals would love to have him.

Mata has to do a lot for our lack of midfield because no one in our midfield can connect more then two passes in row so he has to drop back a lot , he would naturally perform better and be more consistent when our midfield is resolved. Same goes for Sturridge.

btw no way is Luiz world class, i think he has been unfairly criticized and i am a huge fan but just no.

[zolayes 14,489]

I didn't say that.

We have other problems. But how is Mata being our best player a problem?

Mata isnt the problem . The problem is our midfield and front 3 play as if they had never met before. There is no cohesion or understanding

between them . We rely on an individual doing something ,

as I wrote this I just watched Barca score a great team goal

[zolayes 14,489]

watching Barca ,,,messi gets 2 more individual goals to make his hat trick

[Fulham Broadway 17,301]

There was a general consensus on this forum at the start of this season that it was one of transition, and a CL place was the best hoped for, to allow AVB to settle in. Just sayin'

[Tomo 21,751]

Lmao I'm not media muppet, I ignore them.

Yes David has the potential to be great player, but he needs to get rid of those silly mistakes and he should concentrate more. Yesterday he was great, but sometimes you can see him being lost there in the box leaving players unmarked.

I know it takes time to get used to new league, but he's soon going to be 25. He needs to fulfil that potential soon.

Most of Luiz's "silly mistakes" have came when playing with Bosingwa to his right, even Alex looked shite when Bosingwa was next to him infact every time Ivanovic is in the centre with Bosingwa next to him he doesnt look good either.

For example the error he made against Pompey which led to JT clearing off the line he was in the RB position, where was Bosingwa? The yellow he picked up against Sunderland was for covering Bosingwa's lost ground. He's not a miracle worker whenever he plays with Bosingwa he is as good as up against 2 players and most of the time he deals with that fine, whenever we have Ivanovic at right back next to Luiz meaning he only has to worry about one man he is virtually unplayable.

Luiz gets scapegoated far too much for me, you only need to look at the difference in reaction to when Luiz gave away a pen at QPR (his first bad moment after being solid all season before then) and Alex doing the same against Fulham.

Alex and Ivanovic have made more errors this season, do you remember Alex putting Zola in the shade with his touch that put Shane Long through on goal? Has Luiz done anything nearly as bad at that?

Ok occasionaly he can be a bit reckless and might cost us a goal every now and again (no more than any other defender) but i am sure a lot of the goals we have conceded this season when he hasnt played (especially against Arsenal) would have been prevented had he been on the pitch.

We have a fantastic defender who is only going to get better and deep down the media and clueless opposition fans know it (PS Spurs fans think Kaboul and Dawson are better than him )

[Chelsea? 892]

exactly what I've been thinking OP. Our best players are great, but are not really good enough to beat the Barca's of the world. I think maybe the high line should slowly come back, or atleast the "Mid-line" since our orfense was much better playing the high line. United are similar to use but they have Fergie and Rooney. Maybe we should hope Torress hits form or put Danny in the middle; bring in a RW and sign another CAM.Ramirez should probably play DM. If we can't find a CAM we can play Mata in the mid similar to Iniesta. but I ultimately think we are 2-3 players short of top 5 teams in the world.

[zolayes 14,489]

exactly what I've been thinking OP. Our best players are great, but are not really good enough to beat the Barca's of the world. I think maybe the high line should slowly come back, or atleast the "Mid-line" since our orfense was much better playing the high line. United are similar to use but they have Fergie and Rooney. Maybe we should hope Torress hits form or put Danny in the middle; bring in a RW and sign another CAM.Ramirez should probably play DM. If we can't find a CAM we can play Mata in the mid similar to Iniesta. but I ultimately think we are 2-3 players short of top 5 teams in the world.

we are a team and a million miles away from Barcelona ,,,our task now is to get back to where we can win the PL again ,,,,and THAT is not

going to be easy.

[Chelsea? 892]

There was a general consensus on this forum at the start of this season that it was one of transition, and a CL place was the best hoped for, to allow AVB to settle in. Just sayin'

The problem is since we moved from the high line we've looked no different from last year. And during the high line our defense was pretty bad. we also didn't expect to be behind Spurs.