🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[termninja 5,290]

That shouldn't be a reason for a player to complain about the manager in public, but I agree with everything else in your post.

I was also upset when things didn't work out for AVB, because of his commitment, but I'm struggling to collect more arguments in his favor.

Like Alex Ferguson said about his sacking, : "Its sad, but in this day and age results are very important". Bottom-line is, for a club (or should I say company) like Chelsea its unrealistic to have someone given time like Ferguson was given.

It shouldn't, but put yourself it a place of our players. Results are going our way - everything is fine and dandy, easy peasy goddamn squazy! They won't care even if a tree was our manager if we managed to win win and win. Then something like Arsenal happens and suddenly what you highlighted becomes a problem with players. They will think that probably because of something like that he made a mistake.His support lowers a bit and the idea of Andre not being something special (which Jose kept) enters the players minds. As results oscilate, that grows and in the end erupts.

"What's this clown doing?"

"Bad Jose copy..."

are just some of the thoughts that have probably appeared in their minds...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

http://www.thesun.co...illas-Boas.html

True stuff.

How is he allowed to say some of the stuff in there is just beyond me. He is talking about a man who was his manager 10 days ago. This is why Chelsea is always in the front pages, because the culb's policy in handling the press is shit.

[Blue Armour 4,442]

It shouldn't, but put yourself it a place of our players. Results are going our way - everything is fine and dandy, easy peasy goddamn squazy! They won't care even if a tree was our manager if we managed to win win and win. Then something like Arsenal happens and suddenly what you highlighted becomes a problem with players. They will think that probably because of something like that he made a mistake.His support lowers a bit and the idea of Andre not being something special (which Jose kept) enters the players minds. As results oscilate, that grows and in the end erupts.

"What's this clown doing?"

"Bad Jose copy..."

are just some of the thoughts that have probably appeared in their minds...

Understand what you're saying and yes I understand if players feel that way, but still, its part of being a professional not to question the boss.

Also, do you think he was right to say stuff in public?

If anyone has a right to be upset with AVB, its Roman. If he feels AVB is not doing good, he will sack him.

All things said, something that happened over the past few months WILL NOT change my impression of Lampard: A very good player, and a very useful asset to this club. Simple as that.

[Blue Armour 4,442]

How is he allowed to say some of the stuff in there is just beyond me. He is talking about a man who was his manager 10 days ago. This is why Chelsea is always in the front pages, because the culb's policy in handling the press is shit.

Lol, true..true.

[BLionheart 516]

http://www.thesun.co...illas-Boas.html

True stuff.

Although this hasn't changed one bit of what i think of his and other senior players actions during the AVB dismissal , but it had absolutely demonstrated how smartly you can manipulate the media , play along and win more people on your side.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

Now they got it in Sky:

Lampard: AVB focus on future

"His plan was long-term. But somewhere in the middle of that, the present didn't go so well - and that's where the problems came."

http://www1.skysport.../11095/7605975/

Didn't I said in the past that AVB was all like at the beginning, "we got an awesome squad and can challenge for 4 tittles".

Half way through the season, I fucked up please give me more time as I "can build a great project next year".

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Now they got it in Sky:

Lampard: AVB focus on future

http://www1.skysport.../11095/7605975/

Didn't I said in the past that AVB was all like at the beginning, "we got an awesome squad and can challenge for 4 tittles".

Half way through the season, I fucked up please give me more time as I "can build a great project next year".

Great, that means the next manager knows he will have to overhaul the squad. It shows that a slow transitional period is impossible.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It makes me sick when fans judge other fans for 'turning on' Lampard. I know he's a legend and all that, but it's plain to see his attitude was pathetic and a factor in André's dismissal. Look at it without blue-tinted eyes please.

[Madmax 9,219]

It makes me sick when fans judge other fans for 'turning on' Lampard. I know he's a legend and all that, but it's plain to see his attitude was pathetic and a factor in André's dismissal. Look at it without blue-tinted eyes please.

Interesting to see how 3 wins have made some of the previous pro-AVB guys do a 180.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I still haven't flipped. Still rather angry at Lampard et al.

[Spike 12,049]

It makes me sick when fans judge other fans for 'turning on' Lampard. I know he's a legend and all that, but it's plain to see his attitude was pathetic and a factor in André's dismissal. Look at it without blue-tinted eyes please.

Why does it bother me that I think this post is directed towards me?

I wasn't judging other fans, I was merely recalling what I remember. Every fan had their opinions during André's dismissal and some were very knee jerk and emotional. I think if people stopped and thought they wouldn't have said those things about Lampard.

Sure he deserved criticism for what he did, but he didn't deserve to vilified by so many Chelsea fans.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Why does it bother me that I think this post is directed towards me?

I wasn't judging other fans, I was merely recalling what I remember. Every fan had their opinions during André's dismissal and some were very knee jerk and emotional. I think if people stopped and thought they wouldn't have said those things about Lampard, as most fans who said negative things about Lamps during that time love him again (from what I've experience anyway).

Sure he deserved criticism for what he did, but he didn't deserve to vilified by so many Chelsea fans.

It wasn't bro, I was speaking generally

Everyone does have a soft spot for Lampard, even us who feel he's been disrespectful (trying to keep my words tight here) through this entire season. But it's plain to see his attitude was dire, his interview is insightful and pretty much speaks what we've all been thinking. Now we're to winning ways people are quick to forget about his antics, but damage is done. It cannot be undone.

I'm still grateful for his 500+ appearances, numerous goals & assists and general contributions in the last many seasons he's been here. But the stuff he's done this season? That deserves the Roy Keane treatment. Out the club.

[Spike 12,049]

It wasn't bro, I was speaking generally

Everyone does have a soft spot for Lampard, even us who feel he's been disrespectful (trying to keep my words tight here) through this entire season. But it's plain to see his attitude was dire, his interview is insightful and pretty much speaks what we've all been thinking. Now we're to winning ways people are quick to forget about his antics, but damage is done. It cannot be undone.

I'm still grateful for his 500+ appearances, numerous goals & assists and general contributions in the last many seasons he's been here. But the stuff he's done this season? That deserves the Roy Keane treatment. Out the club.

Lamps shouldn't take all the blame. If AVB had handled the situation with more finesse perhaps Lamps would have been happy to take a backseat role.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

Lamps shouldn't take all the blame. If AVB had handled the situation with more finesse perhaps Lamps would have been happy to take a backseat role.

I agree,AVB tried too hard to become a feared manager.Its evident that there wasn't much effective communication and the fact that he concentrated more on the future than the present was quite a gamble.I am not saying he did a bad job at Chelsea but he could have handled the situation much better.AVB deserved to be given more time but this is Chelsea Football Club and he should have known better.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Lamps shouldn't take all the blame. If AVB had handled the situation with more finesse perhaps Lamps would have been happy to take a backseat role.

You're right. He shouldn't take all the blame, André is culpable for some things.. But it is he who should have another chance. Not this 33-year old who's made his feelings and hostility clear in hampering the plan Villas-Boas had.

[capriccioso 2,545]

As I said on the night it all happened, legend or not, you can't bloody well sack the manager for no other reason than lack of game time.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Lamps shouldn't take all the blame. If AVB had handled the situation with more finesse perhaps Lamps would have been happy to take a backseat role.

No one is denying that Andre takes some of the blame for the teams failure. But, for me at least, the frustration with Frank has nothing to do with AVB. He is a club legend and is expected to give 100% effort and show the professionalism expected of him at this level by doing what is asked of him by the manager every single time. His lack of effort and interest in some of the matches during the AVB era is pathetic from my point of view and a stab in the back of not only the manager but the club and fans.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

Great, that means the next manager knows he will have to overhaul the squad. It shows that a slow transitional period is impossible.

Yes if we get a new manager we will need this done.

Which is why I don't mind keeping RDM cause we won't have this problem.

I want the Chelsea blood to managed, because that won't be a problem like a foreing manager with the exception of Mourinho.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Yes if we get a new manager we will need this done.

Which is why I don't mind keeping RDM cause we won't have this problem.

I want the Chelsea blood to managed, because that won't be a problem like a foreing manager with the exception of Mourinho.

Give them the role and they will just look out for themselves, they are not going to drop themselves.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

Give them the role and they will just look out for themselves, they are not going to drop themselves.

I don't think so, they will look for the best of the team.