The Basketball Thread

[Korea 734]

The Spurs don't have a superstar and they haven't for years. Duncan was a superstar years ago but certainly hasn't been at that level for a long time. Anyway, you misunderstood what I was saying. Talent still matters enormously but there is a massive gap between who is considered a star and who is actually a great player who helps his team win. Kobe is still considered a superstar. Do you think any team can win with him anymore? You ask fans and they'd say Carmelo is a top-10 player but he couldn't take his team anywhere in a pathetic division. You can't win with a player like that. Team basketball with quality players is what wins. Miami has great talent but they also have the best true percentage shooting percentage. Their top 3 scorers all shot over .50%. You need the talent but the talent has to work together. For example, Dwight Howard is a fantastic player still but he completely imbalances the Rockets. You take a fast-paced team who can run with anyone and you put a slow player in there, you are going to have issues.

The Spurs have the best PF in basketball and best PG in basketball....

Unless you consider James and Durant and Melo as the only superstars, the Spurs have superstars....

TALENT WINS... The Pistons had Ben Wallace, Rasheed wallace, Billups, RIp Hamilton and Prince. The Pistons also won that year because Malone got injured and we played a freakin Slava as PF.....

IF YOU want to watch this SO CALLED TEAM BASKETBALL, you should be watching college bball, not the NBA....

[Korea 734]

Spurs are killing themselves again with miss FTs and Parker not being fully healthy....

GInoboli playing well. Leonard has sucked.

[iseah100 5,612]

Spurs are killing themselves again with miss FTs and Parker not being fully healthy....

GInoboli playing well. Leonard has sucked.

That elbow turned the game. Wasn't the same after. 4 missed ft's in a row don't help. Leonard has his hands full with LeBron, too many touch fouls on Leonard. Green and Diaw need to do more offensively.

[Korea 734]

Glad to see the Spurs off to a good start and hope they win. There is no greater gap in sports than the difference between what actually wins in the NBA (team efficiency, taking good tram shots) and what people think actually wins which is star players. The NBA is a star-obsessed league.Basketball is a team game and the Spurs play it as a team game. They will always be competitive under Popovich. They don't have a single elite player anymore and are already transitioning new players like Leonard and Green into regular minutes.

OKC will never win the championship with Scott Brooks. In the NBA, coaching does matter and he's not a good coach. He's just been lucky to have one of the most talented teams in his time there which can carry itself a long way. He just makes too many baffling decisions and has a simplistic gameplan that will catch up with him.

And Kobe rising again? Give me a break. The Lakers will never win again with Kobe there. If he's healthy, he'll score a lot of points ( a big if) but he's not the kind of player that can carry a team anymore and the Lakers have killed themselves with re-signing Kobe. As Jurgan Kilnsmann said "“This always happens in America,” Klinsmann told me, waving his hands in the air. “Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?"

Yes, Mr. Canadian. You sure know a lot about the NBA......

You make it seem that the Spurs don't rely on individual brilliance at all and play like the Hoosiers did 50 years ago...Spurs have arguably the best PF EVER TO PLAY BASKETBALL... THe best international PG to ever play the game...

They had a coach there forever and drafted players that would fit their system... You make it seem that the Spurs have scrubs on their team playing so called "team ball."

Yes, Kobe will never win again with the Lakers..... Except, they will. Free agents will come to LA and contract year players will come to LA. ALL THIS NONSENSE, I bet you wouldn't be saying any of this had Stern didn't reject the CP3 trade, which destroyed the Lakers chemistry (even though they were probably on the decline anyways). He got a 50m extension because the late Buss wanted Kobe to and because KOBE makes a lot of mula for the Lakers....

Jordan got paid 30m and 33m for in 96 and 97. So.................

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

The Spurs have the best PF in basketball and best PG in basketball....

Unless you consider James and Durant and Melo as the only superstars, the Spurs have superstars....

TALENT WINS... The Pistons had Ben Wallace, Rasheed wallace, Billups, RIp Hamilton and Prince. The Pistons also won that year because Malone got injured and we played a freakin Slava as PF.....

IF YOU want to watch this SO CALLED TEAM BASKETBALL, you should be watching college bball, not the NBA....

You're joking. Duncan is 38 year old, sits out games, play only 29 minutes a game and was 11th among power forwards in scoring. He lacks explosive moves and can any speed at all. He's not close to being the best PF in the NBA. Would you take him over Love, Ibaka, Aldridge, Nowitzki, Griffin, or Davis? Not a chance. Duncan is one of the great players ever, but he hasn't been a consistent elite player for about 5 years. And Parker? The best PG in the NBA? He was 12th in PG scoring, 17th in assists, 14th in assist for 48 minutes, and he doesn't take 3s or get steals and isn't an elite defender. He also lacks the dominant offensive and explosive ability some other PGs have. What exactly makes him the best PG in the NBA?

Also, A Canadian invented basketball. Anyway, I do know a lot about the NBA and basketball.. And nobody ever said anything about scrubs or teams without talent (of course you need talent!) but the axiom of internet arguing applies once again. "If you can't argue the facts, invent the argument and attack the person."

[Korea 734]

You're joking. Duncan is 38 year old, sits out games, play only 29 minutes a game and was 11th among power forwards in scoring. He lacks explosive moves and can any speed at all. He's not close to being the best PF in the NBA. Would you take him over Love, Ibaka, Aldridge, Nowitzki, Griffin, or Davis? Not a chance. Duncan is one of the great players ever, but he hasn't been a consistent elite player for about 5 years. And Parker? The best PG in the NBA? He was 12th in PG scoring, 17th in assists, 14th in assist for 48 minutes, and he doesn't take 3s or get steals and isn't an elite defender. He also lacks the dominant offensive and explosive ability some other PGs have. What exactly makes him the best PG in the NBA?

Also, A Canadian invented basketball. Anyway, I do know a lot about the NBA and basketball.. And nobody ever said anything about scrubs or teams without talent (of course you need talent!) but the axiom of internet arguing applies once again. "If you can't argue the facts, invent the argument and attack the person."

Everyone except Davis and maybe.....Love

Duncan isnt young anymore, but he still has better post moves than most players and is 7 ft....

FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc Name Team GP Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG Russell Westbrook OKC 46 30.7 7.5 17.2 43.7 1.5 4.7 31.8 5.3 6.4 82.6 1.2 4.5 5.7 6.9 3.8 1.9 0.2 2.3 21.8 Damian Lillard POR 82 35.8 6.7 15.9 42.4 2.7 6.8 39.4 4.5 5.2 87.1 0.4 3.1 3.5 5.6 2.4 0.8 0.3 2.4 20.7 Isaiah Thomas SAC 72 34.7 6.9 15.2 45.3 1.8 5.1 34.9 4.8 5.7 85.0 0.7 2.3 2.9 6.3 3.0 1.3 0.1 2.6 20.3 John Wall WAS 82 36.3 7.1 16.3 43.3 1.3 3.8 35.1 3.9 4.8 80.5 0.5 3.6 4.1 8.8 3.6 1.8 0.5 2.7 19.3 Chris Paul LAC 62 35.0 6.5 14.0 46.7 1.3 3.4 36.8 4.8 5.6 85.5 0.6 3.7 4.3 10.7 2.3 2.5 0.1 2.5 19.1 Kyle Lowry TOR 79 36.2 5.8 13.7 42.3 2.4 6.3 38.0 4.0 4.9 81.3 1.1 3.6 4.7 7.4 2.5 1.5 0.2 3.4 17.9 Kemba Walker CHA 73 35.8 6.2 15.7 39.3 1.5 4.5 33.3 3.9 4.6 83.7 0.5 3.7 4.2 6.1 2.3 1.2 0.4 1.8 17.7 Ty Lawson DEN 62 35.8 5.6 13.0 43.1 1.2 3.3 35.6 5.2 6.5 79.8 0.6 2.8 3.5 8.8 3.2 1.6 0.2 1.8 17.6 Mike Conley MEM 73 33.5 6.3 14.1 45.0 1.4 4.0 36.1 3.1 3.8 81.5 0.6 2.4 2.9 6.0 2.1 1.5 0.2 1.9 17.2 Tony Parker SA 68 29.4 6.7 13.4 49.9 0.4 1.0 37.3 2.9 3.6 81.1 0.3 2.0 2.3 5.7 2.2 0.5 0.1 1.3 16.7

Yea, mr stat man... He's 10th in the league and first is westbrook who isnt a pg

Let's take Parker eurostats

10 35.0 78/171 45.6 68/141 48.2 10/30 33.3 55/68 80.9 0.2 3.3 3.5 4.4 2.4 1.6 0.0 1.4 6.4 221 22.1

Points Per Game

Tony Parker

FRA

Born : 17.05.1982

Place of birth: Brugge (BEL)

Height: 1.88

Games: 11

Position: PG

Avg19.0

Name Team G PTS Avg 1. Parker, T. FRA 11 209 19.0 2. Bogdanovic, B. CRO 11 191 17.4 3. Spanoulis, V. GRE 6 100 16.7 4. Dragic, G. SLO 11 174 15.8 5. Krstic, N. SRB 10 154 15.4 6. Gentile, A. ITA 11 156 14.2 7. Gasol, M. ESP 11 153 13.9 8. Datome, L. ITA 11 152 13.8 9. Belinelli, M. ITA 10 136 13.6 10. Jeter, E. UKR 11 149 13.5 11. Koponen, P. FIN 8 106 13.3 12. Kalnietis, M. LTU 11 133 12.1 13. Fernandez, R. ESP 11 132 12.0 14. Gladyr, S. UKR 11 132 12.0 15. Aradori, P. ITA 11 131 11.9 16. Batum, N. FRA 10 116 11.6 17. Janicenoks, K. LAT 8 92 11.5 18. Bourousis, Y. GRE 8 91 11.4 19. Kleiza, L. LTU 11 125 11.4 20. Bertans, D. LAT 8 87 10.9

Mr. Canadian and using his stats to always prove his basketball nonsense... Why dont we use PER for jackie butler like Spurs did, o wait....

[Korea 734]

Hey Toronto, you wanna know what Jeremy lin stats were with MIKE D and the knicks with melo getting hurt??

You wanna know what Kendal freaking Marshall stats were with Mike D antonio prior when he was the starter??

Always using stats like dumbass Morey did with the Rockets..

[iseah100 5,612]

Everyone except Davis and maybe.....Love

Duncan isnt young anymore, but he still has better post moves than most players and is 7 ft....

FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc Name Team GP Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG Russell Westbrook OKC 46 30.7 7.5 17.2 43.7 1.5 4.7 31.8 5.3 6.4 82.6 1.2 4.5 5.7 6.9 3.8 1.9 0.2 2.3 21.8 Damian Lillard POR 82 35.8 6.7 15.9 42.4 2.7 6.8 39.4 4.5 5.2 87.1 0.4 3.1 3.5 5.6 2.4 0.8 0.3 2.4 20.7 Isaiah Thomas SAC 72 34.7 6.9 15.2 45.3 1.8 5.1 34.9 4.8 5.7 85.0 0.7 2.3 2.9 6.3 3.0 1.3 0.1 2.6 20.3 John Wall WAS 82 36.3 7.1 16.3 43.3 1.3 3.8 35.1 3.9 4.8 80.5 0.5 3.6 4.1 8.8 3.6 1.8 0.5 2.7 19.3 Chris Paul LAC 62 35.0 6.5 14.0 46.7 1.3 3.4 36.8 4.8 5.6 85.5 0.6 3.7 4.3 10.7 2.3 2.5 0.1 2.5 19.1 Kyle Lowry TOR 79 36.2 5.8 13.7 42.3 2.4 6.3 38.0 4.0 4.9 81.3 1.1 3.6 4.7 7.4 2.5 1.5 0.2 3.4 17.9 Kemba Walker CHA 73 35.8 6.2 15.7 39.3 1.5 4.5 33.3 3.9 4.6 83.7 0.5 3.7 4.2 6.1 2.3 1.2 0.4 1.8 17.7 Ty Lawson DEN 62 35.8 5.6 13.0 43.1 1.2 3.3 35.6 5.2 6.5 79.8 0.6 2.8 3.5 8.8 3.2 1.6 0.2 1.8 17.6 Mike Conley MEM 73 33.5 6.3 14.1 45.0 1.4 4.0 36.1 3.1 3.8 81.5 0.6 2.4 2.9 6.0 2.1 1.5 0.2 1.9 17.2 Tony Parker SA 68 29.4 6.7 13.4 49.9 0.4 1.0 37.3 2.9 3.6 81.1 0.3 2.0 2.3 5.7 2.2 0.5 0.1 1.3 16.7

Yea, mr stat man... He's 10th in the league and first is westbrook who isnt a pg

Let's take Parker eurostats

10 35.0 78/171 45.6 68/141 48.2 10/30 33.3 55/68 80.9 0.2 3.3 3.5 4.4 2.4 1.6 0.0 1.4 6.4 221 22.1

Points Per Game

Tony Parker

FRA

Born : 17.05.1982

Place of birth: Brugge (BEL)

Height: 1.88

Games: 11

Position: PG

Avg19.0

Name Team G PTS Avg 1. Parker, T. FRA 11 209 19.0 2. Bogdanovic, B. CRO 11 191 17.4 3. Spanoulis, V. GRE 6 100 16.7 4. Dragic, G. SLO 11 174 15.8 5. Krstic, N. SRB 10 154 15.4 6. Gentile, A. ITA 11 156 14.2 7. Gasol, M. ESP 11 153 13.9 8. Datome, L. ITA 11 152 13.8 9. Belinelli, M. ITA 10 136 13.6 10. Jeter, E. UKR 11 149 13.5 11. Koponen, P. FIN 8 106 13.3 12. Kalnietis, M. LTU 11 133 12.1 13. Fernandez, R. ESP 11 132 12.0 14. Gladyr, S. UKR 11 132 12.0 15. Aradori, P. ITA 11 131 11.9 16. Batum, N. FRA 10 116 11.6 17. Janicenoks, K. LAT 8 92 11.5 18. Bourousis, Y. GRE 8 91 11.4 19. Kleiza, L. LTU 11 125 11.4 20. Bertans, D. LAT 8 87 10.9

Mr. Canadian and using his stats to always prove his basketball nonsense... Why dont we use PER for jackie butler like Spurs did, o wait....

Parker and Duncan are great, but they don't play 35-40 minutes a game. Duncan is a great PF but he can't carry a team. The Spurs don't have a player they can give the ball to who will take over a game. A go to scorer. They rely on ball movement, if they don't move it they can't win. They win as a team, because they don't have a guy who can win games late.

[Korea 734]

Parker and Duncan are great, but they don't play 35-40 minutes a game. Duncan is a great PF but he can't carry a team. The Spurs don't have a player they can give the ball to who will take over a game. A go to scorer. They rely on ball movement, if they don't move it they can't win. They win as a team, because they don't have a guy who can win games late.

Parker is it....

Parker can create his own shot and be relied on.... It's terrible Parker is always hurt in the finals.

[iseah100 5,612]

Parker is it....

Parker can create his own shot and be relied on.... It's terrible Parker is always hurt in the finals.

Would you trust Parker to try to close out a game? I wouldn't.

[Styles 9,790]

When Bron plays angry

[Amblève. 4,995]

Spurs don't rely purely on ball movement. Put the ball down low to Duncan and you'll get a high quality shot from him. He's still one of the best iso scorers in the post, advanced stats back that up.

[iseah100 5,612]

Spurs don't rely purely on ball movement. Put the ball down low to Duncan and you'll get a high quality shot from him. He's still one of the best iso scorers in the post, advanced stats back that up.

They absolutely rely on ball movement. Have you seen them? They don't ever just throw the ball to Duncan in the post. They rely on ball movement and off the ball movement to get open.

[The Skipper 20,593]

They absolutely rely on ball movement. Have you seen them? They don't ever just throw the ball to Duncan in the post. They rely on ball movement and off the ball movement to get open.

He's not saying they don't, what he is saying though is that they don't just fully rely on ball movement, they do have the option to give it to Duncan in the low post or a TP iso... Essentially, their underlying play style is all about ball movement but they can and have before done iso plays.

[iseah100 5,612]

He's not saying they don't, what he is saying though is that they don't just fully rely on ball movement, they do have the option to give it to Duncan in the low post or a TP iso... Essentially, their underlying play style is all about ball movement but they can and have before done iso plays.

Popovich on ball movement: "You move it or you die."

Very, very rarely do they just get the ball to Duncan and expect him to do it all.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Just got home, wtf are Spurs on, wow.

[iseah100 5,612]

Just got home, wtf are Spurs on, wow.

Michael's "secret stuff" probably.

[Styles 9,790]

That was a clinic from the Spurs. Kawhi Leonard