Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Wee Pat Nevin was way better than the Argie growth hormone cheat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I personally think you have to win the World Cup, or at least have an outstanding international career, to be amongst the greatest.Messi has years to achieve, as does Ronaldo.In the meantime, Pelé, Maradonna, Eusebio, Cruyff, di Stefano and Puskas are the greatest. Then you have the del Pieros, Charltons, Yashins, Zindanes, Zolas, Beckenbauers, Bests, etc. who are in that second level... that is where Messi and Ronaldo currently sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 .You cant compare the 'greats ' of yesterday and today with parity.The game , ball, pitches, refereeing, physiotherapy, diets etc have changed the face of football so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 .You cant compare the 'greats ' of yesterday and today with parity.The game , ball, pitches, refereeing, physiotherapy, diets etc have changed the face of football so muchExactly the thoughts I conveyed in the first response to this question, only to be shot down for supposedly being unwelcoming to a new member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Exactly the thoughts I conveyed in the first response to this question, only to be shot down for supposedly being unwelcoming to a new member You're right. Chelsea v Leeds 1970 Cup Final -the Wembley pitch the week before was used for Horse of the Year show, and just left. It was like First World War trenches. It took a kind of player to adapt - the Osgoods, Webbs, Housemans, Clarkes, and Charltons might not be so deft if playing today, but they were used to those pitches week in week out. The balls were heavier. Messi might have been good, but no better than Charlie Cooke -(tongue slightly in cheek) Nottingham Forest CL winners under Clough -their half time 'team talk consisted of a few shots of Whisky. Comparing those with the Arsene Wenger macro-biotic dietary fed players of the 21st century is difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Strange how defenders are NEVER mentioned when we talk of the greatest, I guess defence doesn't matterYeah, it's mostly entertainment value that people judge players on. Even Beckenbauer, a widely considered best defender of all time, was an entertaining player (supposedly, I haven't seen him in action myself except for youtube clips). But the most eccentric and entertaining players get mentioned as the greatest for obvious reasons, qualities that defenders rarely possess. We have Luiz, an eccentric player in defence, and half people want to move him upfield... it seems only boring fucks are allowed to play in defence But zolayes, who would you consider the greatest coming from defence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Funny how everyone this week is breaking out the polish the help bring up the gloss on da messiah's nutz. Didn't hear any of that last week though :confused: Did the Venezuela match have something to do w/ that??? So if that is the case, shouldn't we be glossing Iniesta & Xavi's nutz????He's not average for Argentina, i believe your the one who constantly links that video of him missing a free kick, which is supposed to determine his whole Argentinian career. I've seen many games with Messi playing for Argentina he certainly isn't average, not as good as he is at Barca but not average at all, he battered Spain when they beat Argentina beat them 4-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Yeah, it's mostly entertainment value that people judge players on. Even Beckenbauer, a widely considered best defender of all time, was an entertaining player (supposedly, I haven't seen him in action myself except for youtube clips). But the most eccentric and entertaining players get mentioned as the greatest for obvious reasons, qualities that defenders rarely possess. We have Luiz, an eccentric player in defence, and half people want to move him upfield... it seems only boring fucks are allowed to play in defence But zolayes, who would you consider the greatest coming from defence?not many better than Beckenbauer(if any ) roberto carlos might get a few votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Strange how defenders are NEVER mentioned when we talk of the greatest, I guess defence doesn't matterDefenders are boring, they try and stop the beautiful side of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Wee Pat Nevin was way better than the Argie growth hormone cheat Stop it now your making me cry of laughter. Cruff was one hell of a player ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Defenders are boring, they try and stop the beautiful side of the game.will you ever grow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 If that's not fake it simply is the most awesome football picture ever.LMAO I thought it was fake, because Maradonna & Pelé smiling in the same picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Stop it now your making me cry of laughter. Cruff was one hell of a player !''Cruff'' ? Who the fuck is that ?We could do with this genius against City week after next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Not really connected to Messi but I wanted to share this and it gives a very good idea of what the best are capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hd123 5 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He's no Torres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Hattrick tonight for Argentina. Looks like he's coming to age internationally and we can stop this ridiculous 'not the best ever if he doesn't do it internationally' notion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If Argentina did not have a shite defence they may have won the Copa America. Nobody would complaing about Messi being terrible at the international levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Best of his generation? Probably. Best of all time? Absolutely no chance. Pelé is by far and away and without a shadow of doubt, the greatest player this sport has, or will ever see. I for one rank the great Eusébio as the equal second greatest striker of all time, on par with Maradona simply because he carried Benfica and Portugal on his shoulders. Messi will never rank among those 3, Maradona and Eusébio were both by far the greatest players their respective clubs and countries produced and are solely responsible for the successes of their respective clubs and countries. As his teammate at Benfica and Portugal once said, "With Eusébio we could have been tri European Champions, without him maybe we could win the League." Messi has a long, long way to go to catch him and overtake him in my books as the equal 2nd greatest striker in the history of this game.I'd rank Messi behind Ronaldo (the fat one), di Stefano and Puskas as the 6th best attacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Not really connected to Messi but I wanted to share this and it gives a very good idea of what the best are capable of. I don't quite get the Rio de Janiero montage at the start. Wasn't he from the north of Brazil?Some parts of that video are absolutely outrageous, like at ~5:10 where he somehow keeps control over the ball despite being almost parallel to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 42 games this season, 48 goals, 20 assists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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