Juan Mata

[bababoom 4,478]

My last comment was obviously tongue in cheek. Still, Hazard couldn't do anything against Westham - when you dearly needed it. Those two points could be so costly at the end of the season, and I can't help thinking that if you had a fully fit and confident Juan Mata that is exactly the type of game he would have unlocked.

I'll agree with that, when teams put ten men behind the ball it gives Juan the time and space to pick the perfect pass. In an Ideal world it'll be great to have Mata play these types of games, but the fact is Mata wanted to play against the big boys and under Jose that was impossible.

[JayC 171]

^ Was this guy always a troll? Thought I remembered him as that random United fan that would show up and offer a different perspective and in general be sensible. Might be thinking of someone else

I tried that route, and it doesn't work. The site has too many children on it. All I ever was, was fair, or giving my honest opinion. Apparently it's too much for this site. Pretty sad in truth.

[Cosmin 2,484]

I tried that route, and it doesn't work. The site has too many children on it. All I ever was, was fair, or giving my honest opinion. Apparently it's too much for this site. Pretty sad in truth.

Then fuck the fuck off.

[JayC 171]

Then fuck the fuck off.

Touchy , aren't we little man.

It's actually hilarious how bad you have all reacted to a United fan on your site. You should be really ashamed.

[Reddish-Blue 2,495]

Touchy , aren't we little man.

It's actually hilarious how bad you have all reacted to a United fan on your site. You should be really ashamed.

Let me ask you a question...if Rooney was sold to Chelsea in the last transfer window...and then a Chelsea fan went onto redcafe and started saying: "You sold us your best player"...

What type of reaction would he/she receive from United supporters?

[Cosmin 2,484]

Touchy , aren't we little man.

It's actually hilarious how bad you have all reacted to a United fan on your site. You should be really ashamed.

So you come here, talk about how great United are for buying what you (not everyone else) consider to be "our best player", then call us "children" and still you're the mature one. As long as you are fair, people here are fair too. What does that say to you?

[GeeMon 34]

My last comment was obviously tongue in cheek. Still, Hazard couldn't do anything against Westham - when you dearly needed it. Those two points could be so costly at the end of the season, and I can't help thinking that if you had a fully fit and confident Juan Mata that is exactly the type of game he would have unlocked.

It's true, a game like that would have fitted Mata perfectly. However, as someone ^ posted, Mata wants to play more than just the west hams of this world and he deserves that. Unfortunately you can't play a high pressing game with Mata as a focal point.

As has been said countless times, without Mata we are 3 points off the top compared to struggling for top 4. I'd much rather a strong footballing vision than basing a team around one player with the quality of Mata. He's a great player but as was debated with Rafa at the helm - what top European club would base their team around a player only as good as Mata? Barca? Real Madrid? Their two are out of this world and Bayern, Dortmund and Juve all have philosophies they follow.

I've been reading red cafe recently and sure a front 3 of Mata, Rooney, And RVP is mouthwatering on paper... But whats the philosophy? People are suggesting a 4-3-1-2 with overlapping FB's to provide width. Would need one hell of a central midfield to accomodate for the defensive frailties of that team.

Yes Mata is an amazing player and I'm grateful for his time here but I don't think you can field a player of his quality and have the strongest team in Europe. Individually, he's not on the level of the Messi's and Ronaldo's of this world nor is he physically sound enough to slot into the high pressing styles of the Bayern Munichs or Dortmunds. And that style, I believe, is the most effective way to play football at this current time.

[TrippingStep 336]

My last comment was obviously tongue in cheek. Still, Hazard couldn't do anything against Westham - when you dearly needed it. Those two points could be so costly at the end of the season, and I can't help thinking that if you had a fully fit and confident Juan Mata that is exactly the type of game he would have unlocked.

I think that attacking fullbacks and other players than Mikel Ramires as defensive midfielders would have helped. Since last year we have a really bad streak with Mikel in the team. It's four players (Azpi because he plays on the left) that do nothing against team that parked the bus.

Even Schurrle instead of William acting more like a second striker, attacking the box would have helped.

And it's not like we haven't struggled before, against Swansea that were very compact and defensive last year, even with Mata we struggled to score.

Evra is shitty defender but against this kind of team, he helped you a lot and you have Van Persie as a striker.

[JayC 171]

Let me ask you a question...if Rooney was sold to Chelsea in the last transfer window...and then a Chelsea fan went onto redcafe and started saying: "You sold us your best player"...

What type of reaction would he/she receive from United supporters?

I talked about Rooney leaving our club openly on this very forum. I had no problem with it. I don't have any time for lies and biased opinions. I tell it how I see it. A lot around here pull the wool over their own eyes.

If you had of signed Rooney I would have said good luck to him, and hoped we spent the money well. I would have told you to enjoy a player on a downward spiral. Small, but still downward. I was wrong, as this season he has been a revelation while fit. It's all down to him getting fit again, which to be fair I was not basing my summation on. None the less, I was wrong. I admit it. He would have been a very big loss, a lot bigger than I anticipated. Now that signing might have won you the league. This is honesty. I'd never sacrifice my sincerity for the sake of bullshit like not wanting to admit I was wrong.

I guess I never really gave a straight answer to your question - I'm guessing the reaction wouldn't be amazing, but If it was Redcafe I'm fairly certain it wouldn't end up with a ban for that person.

[TrippingStep 336]

Otherwise JayC, yes Mata could have helped yesterday as against team that defends deep, Him and Hazard could scheme things more patiently but in the greater picture, fullbacks and better central midfielder than those of yesterday would helped a lot more.

[JayC 171]

Otherwise JayC, yes Mata could have helped yesterday as against team that defends deep, Him and Hazard could scheme things more patiently but in the greater picture, fullbacks and better central midfielder than those of yesterday would helped a lot more.

Well, I think we both know there was a place in the Chelsea team for Juan Mata - you can argue all the crap you like about tactics and pressing, it still won't convince me this is the sole reason for Mata's departure. Chelsea fans need to face the fact that Mourinho wasn't comfortable forging his new side in the shadow of somebody elses buy. Your best player was sold because Jose is very arrogant and wants to build his own side. The lucky thing is, he's good enough to pull it off.

[Spike 12,049]

[manpe 10,861]

Well, I think we both know there was a place in the Chelsea team for Juan Mata - you can argue all the crap you like about tactics and pressing, it still won't convince me this is the sole reason for Mata's departure. Chelsea fans need to face the fact that Mourinho wasn't comfortable forging his new side in the shadow of somebody elses buy. Your best player was sold because Jose is very arrogant and wants to build his own side. The lucky thing is, he's good enough to pull it off.

So that means we're gonna sell Oscar too? Crap..

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[JayC 171]

So that means we're gonna sell Oscar too? Crap..

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No. Most other players are safe. He wanted rid of the main influence on the team. It makes sense if you think about it.

[TrippingStep 336]

No. Most other players are safe. He wanted rid of the main influence on the team. It makes sense if you think about it.

Last year we had no other choices with the squad we had. We had fucking Marin Benayoun and Moses for substitutes in the three behind the striker.

Mata closer to the striker, putting Hazard and Oscar on the side deeper, closer to the midfield was our only option.

We'll see next year.

I could see us going 4-3-3 Hazard Salah on the wing, a new left back, a new striker, another cm and Oscar in the midfield three with less pressure on him for attacking purpose.

After all, Oscar would be better as a cm in a three man midfield, linking the play with fullbacks, wingers.

----------Azpi---------------Cahill/Luiz-----------Terry/??-----------Shaw

-----------------------------------Matic---------------------------------------

------------------new cm---------------------Oscar----------------------

--------------Salah----------------------------------------hazard--------

------------------------------------New striker---------------------------------

We would not need Mata in a set-up like that.