JayC 171 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Only 1 season and it was hazard's first season, i dare to say that hazard was allready better than mata by the end of last season.Are you being serious by saying that mata is more natural gifted than hazard? Sounds like a joke to meI am very serious. Mata has a consistency about him that only the best naturally gifted players can sustain. Hazard not so much.Also Mata scored and assisted more than Hazard 2012/2013. I know it's not all about the stats, but they do give a good idea. Mata will definitely improve United's offensive play...but you guys have serious midfield problems.Who's going to partner Carrick in midfield? Fellaini? Jones? the average Cleverley? I think Fellaini obviously deserves a proper run in the team. He's been slated a lot for nothing to be honest. Is he a United player? Maybe not, but he can do a job and deserves the opportunity to prove a lot of people wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky 739 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 This is a funny gif. Their loving this signing on redcafe. I still cant believe we sold Mata our two times player of the year to Man fkn Utd scum..Also was it 40 or 37 mil pounds ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Only 1 season and it was hazard's first season, i dare to say that hazard was allready better than mata by the end of last season.Are you being serious by saying that mata is more natural gifted than hazard? Sounds like a joke to meDon't bother with him. He's a man united fan. Trying to get him to say anything good about Hazard is simply impossible.Just take a quick look on the Eden Hazard thread at redcafe. Soo much butthurt. Being snubbed by 1 of the biggest talents in the world really hurt their fragile egos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I am very serious. Mata has a consistency about him that only the best naturally gifted players can sustain. Hazard not so much.Also Mata scored and assisted more than Hazard 2012/2013. I know it's not all about the stats, but they do give a good idea. Say whatever you want at the end of the day football is a sport, an activity based on athleticism. Hazard is far superior than Mata in terms of physical, Mata visions it, Hazard executes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC 171 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Say whatever you want at the end of the day football is a sport, an activity based on athleticism. Hazard is far superior than Mata in terms of physical, Mata visions it, Hazard executes it.Actually I'd say it's more about what you can do with a football. 11Drogba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Actually I'd say it's more about what you can do with a football.What you can do WITHOUT a football is equally important in modern footy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC 171 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 What you can do WITHOUT a football is equally important in modern footy.It's no more than an advantage, in most positions. It's not a necessity. Being good with a football kind of is... you know?Look at RvP - he's hardly quick. Yet prolific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 It's no more than an advantage, in most positions. It's not a necessity. Being good with a football kind of is... you know?Look at RvP - he's hardly quick. Yet prolific.RvP is strong however. Mata can be shrugged off the ball quite easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC 171 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 RvP is strong however. Mata can be shrugged off the ball quite easily.RvP isn't known for using his strength. He manages with his technique - control of the ball.Raul - not quick or strong. Champions League all time record goal scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 It's no more than an advantage, in most positions. It's not a necessity. Being good with a football kind of is... you know?Look at RvP - he's hardly quick. Yet prolific.So athleticism in your book is speed only huh?What about RvP's body strength? Leg strength? Body balance? Suppleness? Leaping ability? etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Now days teams find your weakness and use it against you mata is a weak spot in any team he play Jose wanted more and think he can do with those weak spot if he play against them. He really a tactician always try to improve/raise his game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meetdoscar 335 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Mata isn't ronaldo or messi u know he was loved but has been replaced already by oscar and willian in a stronger squad than before with hazard also having great evolution. Wish him well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 2,275 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 RvP isn't known for using his strength. He manages with his technique - control of the ball.Raul - not quick or strong. Champions League all time record goal scorer.Raul and RVP are quite tall though, compared to Juan. A problem with Mata was that he is too easy pushed off the ball.Mata signing is painting over United's cracks. You need 2 or 3 new midfielders and, In my opinion, a whole new back 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC 171 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 So athleticism in your book is speed only huh?What about RvP's body strength? Leg strength? Body balance? Suppleness? Leaping ability? etc.Not only speed no, but in terms of Hazard vs Mata, I would think that is the major difference between the two - Hazards superior pace. So I made some examples of how pace isn't a necessity to a footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,704 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Not only speed no, but in terms of Hazard vs Mata, I would think that is the major difference between the two - Hazards superior pace. So I made some examples of how pace isn't a necessity to a footballer. Hazard is a better player. I think you just need to accept that. Mata is a great player, but with glaring holes in his game, unlike Hazard. Hes pushed off the ball easily, unlike Hazard. Hes slow for a player his size, unlike Hazard.Has an average first touch, unlike Hazard. Not to mention Hazard draws more attention and breaks defenses down far better than Mata ever has, even in his first season. The only trait Mata has over Hazard is his passing ability. What Hazard has done this season is better than anything Mata has done for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC 171 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Hazard is a better player. I think you just need to accept that. Mata is a great player, but with glaring holes in his game, unlike Hazard. Hes pushed off the ball easily, unlike Hazard. Hes slow for a player his size, unlike Hazard.Has an average first touch, unlike Hazard. Not to mention Hazard draws more attention and breaks defenses down far better than Mata ever has, even in his first season. The only trait Mata has over Hazard is his passing ability. What Hazard has done this season is better than anything Mata has done for us. It's truly amazing how much a players value/ability/skill goes down hill, when they aren't your player anymore. ;p Hazardinho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,704 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 It's truly amazing how much a players value/ability/skill goes down hill, when they aren't your player anymore. ;pYou can find my posts on Mata in here throughout mid season, and even just as recently as this season. I've always maintained what I said above. He simply isn't as good as Hazard. I even prefer Willian and Oscar over Mata, although, if anyone were to go, I would have kept Mata and got rid of Schurlle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Has an average first touchI don't agree with that, he has a great first touch and nice ball control The only problem with him, is the work rate to recover the ball while pressing (according to José standards). He was drop because Oscar is better defender than him, but for the attacking part, there is no comparaison between them, Mata > Oscar any day (he shouldn't be compare to Hazard, Mata is a #10)May be we should try a line up with 10 CB next time Kunter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC 171 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 You can find my posts on Mata in here throughout mid season, and even just as recently as this season. I've always maintained what I said above. He simply isn't as good as Hazard. I even prefer Willian and Oscar over Mata, although, if anyone were to go, I would have kept Mata and got rid of Schurlle. Fair play to you then, if it's your genuine opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Seem fan when for hike to clear their head off this mata transfer completion. All thread look quiet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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