Romelu Lukaku

[mashimaru161 77]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

He's just been properly linked with United today, but all reports before had him going to Milan on a 60m euros deal. We'll see - apparently Milan have moved to Costa which is quite interesting.

Morata has denied milan rumour

[mashimaru161 77]

23 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Even when they bought him back it was only because Real knew they could get more for him than it would cost to buy him back. Easy transaction... The fact Juve have yet to show any interest in him is quite telling to me though

But juve did wanted to bring him back, at first. They then decided it's better to suck their rival dry, went on to pay 90m for a guy who disappears in final. Served them right.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

If Morata is so good, and if Conte really prefers him (I would love to know how you know), why is he going to AC Milan? Why aren't the likes of PSG, Chelsea, United, City all pushing for him?

Conte brought Morata to Juve, Morata said he would love to work with Conte one day. It seems logical, no?

How do you know he is going to Milan? And yes he has been linked alot with Chelsea and United lately, so there is definately interest (or at least papers say so).

But to inform you, he said he wants to stay in Madrid in interview after final.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

11 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

I respect your opinion, but when you start pointing out stats of how much Morata or Lukaku dribble, Im not sure what to think of that. Morata is miles better in ball control. Dribbling doesnt mean anything if there is no context. Watching both players in games gives you context. For example Adama Traore has most dribbles of all players, but he is average player at best. 

Same for chances created. Its clear as day Morata has better vision and pass even if stats dont show it.

Then you say Lukaku is extreme hardworker and question the same for Morata...

Lukaku is not half the worker Morata is. Perhaps you have Madrid Morata on mind where he indeed doesnt have extensive need of tracking back (unlike he did in juve), because Real is much more free flowing team and Morata is main striker there unlike in juve when he was partnered up front, but even then he is still very hardworking. 

I think Lukaku has football style of powerful striker (obviously given his size), but he doesnt use it to max potential. One thing is to bully smaller sides, something else to bully top sides which he hasnt yet. 

Just wondering would you prefer Inzaghi over Drogba? Man, even for strikers, goals are not everything. 

Both Lukaku and Morata are good strikers, you fancy one, I fancy the other, based on their styles and mentality. 

We will see how things end up at Chelsea and hopefuly it works for us whoever it is, because thats most important.

I respect yours as well, I would hope you would know how to extrapolate what the hard stats mean in the context of one's evaluation of a player. Obviously anyone whose watched them both play knows Morata has the better ball control. What the stat shows is Lukaku, perhaps through being more isolated, has improved in his ability to go at players 1 v 1. He's not exactly a donkey when in possession and also has a heightened sense of awareness as to when to release the ball to players in better positions.

There is nothing clear as day that illustrates Morata has better vision. I think you're formulating opinions that suit the idea you have in your head for Morata. 

What I said was you can't determine how hard one works by comparing them in two different set ups. I also said Lukaku works hard on his game because he always comes back a better player than the year before.

And you are correct most powerful strikers learn how to use their size later on which is what makes Lukaku even more intriguing. He's still figuring out how to make the best use of his body yet he's still scoring 20+ goals meaning he's not just relying on his physicality to score.

I'm biased... Drogba to me was the most complete striker I'd ever see play. On his day he was the hardest striker to deal with. Left foot, right foot, headers, in the box or outside it, pace, power, decent technique. Inzaghi, if I remember correctly was more of a fox in the box type. Clinical inside the 18, great header of the ball but hardly scored any absolute golazo's

Morata needs to score more on a regular basis for me to see him as our striker for the future. Lukaku seems like the type that will do anything to score for Chelsea and at the age of 24, I can't think of many available strikers who combine passion for the club and finishing.

[AK-3001 286]

Real madrid reject Manchester United's 52 million pound bid for Morata. Real Madrid want 78 million pounds for him.

-Sky Italia

 

If United are going after Morata, that means it's Chelsea for Lukaku, pretty much.

[AK-3001 286]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

Why do you think Belotti is better than Lukaku btw? Why is he? What does he do better? I want to hear some opinions on this. I wouldn't mind the club signing Belotti btw.

I know someone that watches Serie A a lot and he is of the opinion that Belotti is better than Lukaku. HIs overall gameplay is much better and he knows how to score goals. Has good pace and is a threat in the air as well.

 

100 million Euros is a lot though, imo, for someone we didn't know about 1-2 years back.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

8 minutes ago, AK-3001 said:

Real madrid reject Manchester United's 52 million pound bid for Morata. Real Madrid want 78 million pounds for him.

-Sky Italia

 

If United are going after Morata, that means it's Chelsea for Lukaku, pretty much.

Sky Italia is as terrible as Sky Nigeria... real talk.

[Thor 2,392]

I don't see how he fails here... he is coming to our team where he will have 10 times better service than that of Everton. Costa manages to get 20 a season and he isn't as clinical as Lukaku.
As for attitude somehow separating Lukaku and Costa... I don't see it. Costa wasn't anything special in big matches. In fact I think Lukaku has put in more against top opponents this season... with Everton players feeding him the ball.

He is better in the air by a country mile as well as being a more clinical finisher. The whole not a hard worker and attitude points are moot until we see him play here. Going by facts though, he is more clinical and multi faceted than Costa. The rest is conjecture as of now.

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Just now, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Sky Italia is as terrible as Sky Nigeria... real talk.

I know, it's all over Twitter though, various sources have reported in the last hour. 

 

The likes of Fabrizio Romano, Alex Shaw, DiMarzio..

 

Too much smoke to not catch attention.

[AK-3001 286]

2 minutes ago, Thor said:

I don't see how he fails here... he is coming to our team where he will have 10 times better service than that of Everton. Costa manages to get 20 a season and he isn't as clinical as Lukaku.
As for attitude somehow separating Lukaku and Costa... I don't see it. Costa wasn't anything special in big matches. In fact I think Lukaku has put in more against top opponents this season... with Everton players feeding him the ball.

He is better in the air by a country mile as well as being a more clinical finisher. The whole not a hard worker and attitude points are moot until we see him play here. Going by facts though, he is more clinical and multi faceted than Costa. The rest is conjecture as of now.

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Honestly, I'd choose Costa over Lukaku still any day. If we were lettng go of Costa and getting Lukaku to replace him, I'd have been a bit sad, but since it looks like we might be keeping Costa too, this would be an absolutely amazing signing. 

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Everton want a 100 million for Lukaku who hasnt even played a Champions League match. For fucks sake. We sold him 2 years ago to them for 28 mil, he couldnt possibly be more than two times better than he was at the time (that would mean maximum 55-60 mil). Realistically his value is around 40-45M.

On the other hand Madrid want 78 mil for their second/third choice striker. The bloke who had one above average season at Juventus, but nothing more than that. Never lead the line to anything big, not in the national team even.

The football market has gone absolutely bonkers. I am glad we are not yet a part of this and as much as we fucked up with the Torres deal I think the club learnt a big lesson from that mistake. Hopefully we can make a few smart signings and remain competitive next season. 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

24 minutes ago, AK-3001 said:

I know, it's all over Twitter though, various sources have reported in the last hour. 

 

The likes of Fabrizio Romano, Alex Shaw, DiMarzio..

 

Too much smoke to not catch attention.

DiMarzio is on it... say no more its on!

[BlueLyon 9,359]

31 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

I respect yours as well, I would hope you would know how to extrapolate what the hard stats mean in the context of one's evaluation of a player. Obviously anyone whose watched them both play knows Morata has the better ball control. What the stat shows is Lukaku, perhaps through being more isolated, has improved in his ability to go at players 1 v 1. He's not exactly a donkey when in possession and also has a heightened sense of awareness as to when to release the ball to players in better positions.

There is nothing clear as day that illustrates Morata has better vision. I think you're formulating opinions that suit the idea you have in your head for Morata. 

What I said was you can't determine how hard one works by comparing them in two different set ups. I also said Lukaku works hard on his game because he always comes back a better player than the year before.

And you are correct most powerful strikers learn how to use their size later on which is what makes Lukaku even more intriguing. He's still figuring out how to make the best use of his body yet he's still scoring 20+ goals meaning he's not just relying on his physicality to score.

I'm biased... Drogba to me was the most complete striker I'd ever see play. On his day he was the hardest striker to deal with. Left foot, right foot, headers, in the box or outside it, pace, power, decent technique. Inzaghi, if I remember correctly was more of a fox in the box type. Clinical inside the 18, great header of the ball but hardly scored any absolute golazo's

Morata needs to score more on a regular basis for me to see him as our striker for the future. Lukaku seems like the type that will do anything to score for Chelsea and at the age of 24, I can't think of many available strikers who combine passion for the club and finishing.

Good post, I just wanted to point out that stats you mentioned show just a little bit of who they are. On paper it seems to be clear that Lukaku has the upper hand in dribbling and passing, however that is not entirely true. Many times the dribbling stats are misleading, like with Adama. Its not how many times certain player dribbles, but more when he does it. Verratti and Bakayoko have very similar dribbles per game, and we both know that Verratti is much much more composed player in tight areas. Morata and Lukaku are similar in that aspect. For example, Lukaku makes a dribble with no end result. In stats he racked that dribble, but they wont tell you those dribbles were rather useless. And as of now I havent seen him dribble in a way to create chance for himself out of nowhere against better teams. Morata, having played with better players, learned when to release the ball in order of fluid football. He knows he is not the only good player on team and needs to cooperate to win. Lukaku on other hand has status of main player at Everton and everything there is orchestrated for him. If he wants to shoot, he shoots. If he wants to dribble, he dribbles. And it works against smaller sides, but against more organised teams with better individuals, it doesnt work. And he doesnt have that passing, ball control ability to break such opponents with his teammates.

What happens after the dribble is quite more important than dribble itself. And IMO Morata here acts as more mature player. Knows when to dribble, when to pass. If we talk about stats, Morata has much better pass percentage, which further confirms he is more composed player.

Dont get me wrong, on medium level Lukaku is nearly your perfect striker. But I wonder if he can perform at the highest level which is obviously the whole point. I dont want another striker who will break every third attack with attempted dribble or shot.

Lukaku is ambitious but not in the right way. He believes he is brilliant player already and tries one thing too many, but thing is he is not yet such good player and for team as whole, thats not realy a good sign.

I see what you meant with his hardwork. Indeed he is improving every season and works hard to get better. But on the pitch, he doesnt track back enough and help his teammates. Im not sure how will this pan out with Conte. Dont forget the bust up with Williams, which was the very same situation we will try to avoid once we sell Costa.

Whoever will work out better, I hope Conte gets his man. Be it Lukaku or Morata. The last thing we need is board signing and forcing Conte to work with someone he doesnt want to, because our striker needs whole support from coach to improve.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

12 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Good post, I just wanted to point out that stats you mentioned show just a little bit of who they are. On paper it seems to be clear that Lukaku has the upper hand in dribbling and passing, however that is not entirely true. Many times the dribbling stats are misleading, like with Adama. Its not how many times certain player dribbles, but more when he does it. Verratti and Bakayoko have very similar dribbles per game, and we both know that Verratti is much much more composed player in tight areas. Morata and Lukaku are similar in that aspect. For example, Lukaku makes a dribble with no end result. In stats he racked that dribble, but they wont tell you those dribbles were rather useless. And as of now I havent seen him dribble in a way to create chance for himself out of nowhere against better teams. Morata, having played with better players, learned when to release the ball in order of fluid football. He knows he is not the only good player on team and needs to cooperate to win. Lukaku on other hand has status of main player at Everton and everything there is orchestrated for him. If he wants to shoot, he shoots. If he wants to dribble, he dribbles. And it works against smaller sides, but against more organised teams with better individuals, it doesnt work. And he doesnt have that passing, ball control ability to break such opponents with his teammates.

What happens after the dribble is quite more important than dribble itself. And IMO Morata here acts as more mature player. Knows when to dribble, when to pass. If we talk about stats, Morata has much better pass percentage, which further confirms he is more composed player.

Dont get me wrong, on medium level Lukaku is nearly your perfect striker. But I wonder if he can perform at the highest level which is obviously the whole point. I dont want another striker who will break every third attack with attempted dribble or shot.

Lukaku is ambitious but not in the right way. He believes he is brilliant player already and tries one thing too many, but thing is he is not yet such good player and for team as whole, thats not realy a good sign.

I see what you meant with his hardwork. Indeed he is improving every season and works hard to get better. But on the pitch, he doesnt track back enough and help his teammates. Im not sure how will this pan out with Conte. Dont forget the bust up with Williams, which was the very same situation we will try to avoid once we sell Costa.

Whoever will work out better, I hope Conte gets his man. Be it Lukaku or Morata. The last thing we need is board signing and forcing Conte to work with someone he doesnt want to, because our striker needs whole support from coach to improve.

Impossible to disprove what you're saying here, most of this is highly subjective. I mainly was saying what the stats show me about Lukaku's game. Comparing players has become the norm with stats but truly its not the best measure because its mostly about deployment and system. Morata hasn't shown me enough to bid 78m for him... Seems like a ludicrous number for a guy who hasn't played a lot of football. His game seems polished but not effective. You said you want a guy who can win you a game and lead the line, I just don't see him as that type of player and there's no evidence to suggest he is.

What happens after the dribble is also about what is happening in the game. Lukaku like to play on the shoulder of defenders and beat them with pace. A lot of the times he dribbles and opens up for a shot which is precisely how I think a striker should utilize a dribble. He does that countless times and has had loads of success with it. I wouldn't say Morata is more mature, I'd say he's more refined/polished. He has loads to learn if he wants to lead the line for a big club. 

You're not going to get the striker you're after mainly because those types either don't switch or go to the absolute big boys. Morata doesn't come close to fitting the bill, he too is a medium striker if you ask me.

Very hard to discern what type of player Lukaku can be in a real team with a system in place. I can't say with any certainty that he's one way or another, all I know is he loves chelsea and has scored a ton of goals in the premier league which is extremely hard to do.

The bust up with Williams was nothing compared to what you get with Costa and the system dictates how you play. How do you know Koeman wants his striker to prevent teams from playing out from the back? He seems like the type of manager that can definitely get his players to play his football, if he wanted Lukaku to close down more I'm sure he would.

 

[King11Didier 916]

This boy went to Everton, because was scared from the grandpa Eto'o for 1st place in the team I don't really rate him and I'm more against this transfer. Why?
I believe we can try to sign some others strikers that I'd prefer them in Chelsea - Morata/Aubameyang/Belotti(eventhough he might be a risk for such a big sum).
I don't think he worths the money that Everton ask for, I haven't actually seen reported sum about the transfer, but I don't believe it will be below 50-60mln. If we are ready to pay big sum for Lukaku, we better do it for someone else mentioned above from me.
On the other side, it might be interesting, the boy will probably come motivated and ready to prove himself this time and perform well with us and I really hope that will be the case if he actually signs for Chelsea, also will bring dangerous in the air, something we are totally missing with Costa and we really need. There are also still a lot of questions about our forwards for the next season - is Costa leaving, are we gonna play with two strikers (Lukaku, Bats partnership could be interesting), is Bats staying or leaving? A lot of important choices in fron of Conte and I hope everything is gonna be clear as soon as possible so we can have beneficial pre-season.

[Yeboii 1,844]

26 minutes ago, King11Didier said:

 

This boy went to Everton, because was scared from the grandpa Eto'o for 1st place in the team

 

Remember the "grandpa" your talking about is Samuel Eto'o. One of the most legendary strikers ever to play the game. Eto'o did really well for us, and it was evident he was going to play.

[Stats 7,054]

Some of the bullshit I read about him is beyond ridiculous. I actually saw a poster say earlier that he is "fat". One of the most stupidest comments I have seen. The guy is clearly a physical athlete. Another claiming, Conte does not want Lukaku. LOL After what Conte  done here, I am quite sure he will have control over majority of transfers if not all. Same way Luiz, Alonso was not his buy right and panic buy? Ok, OK. I

 mean he has his flaws and can be frustrating but like really, look at the positives. The guy is 24 goals and has done more at his age than most of the top strikers around have not done when they were of the same age. Just look at where Costa was when he was 24 and where Lukaku is. Also this 'big game' theory is such a cop out. He scores against big teams but has his games where he is poor. Like Skipper said, Everton this season, away from home have been really defensive and it would be hard for any striker to draw out chances with the way they have set up. Kane has only one goal in open play against the 'big teams' this season IIRC. Does that not make him a top striker? It is just a overused criticism to have at a player people don't like. Judge him in his 'big games' record when he plays for a big team because I am sure in few years time, you will look at his record against top teams and his CV will look impressive. Anyway, every season, he has scored goals against top teams. Just a cop out, like I said.

Anyway, it seems United have had a bid rejected for Morata and will turn attention towards Belotti if that fails which basically confirms Lukaku is on his way to us surely? People need to start getting behind him and appreciate a player who actually has a huge desire to play here and won't have theatrics around him every season. he is a big fan from a young age and wants to be here. Hope like Luiz, people are forced to eat humble pie by the end of the season and admit they were proved wrong.

He has pace, power, scores goals with his left, right and head. Ultimately a very complete striker bar few technical deficiencies, he will score goals like his records show. Also as well as being a short term investment, this is a long term investment as he still as years at the top level. People will soon appreciate that one of our rivals don't have him and we do.

[Mário César 975]

For those that preferred Diego over Lukaku, you have notion that we can't have the guarantee that Diego will perfoming performing like the first half of the last season, right? Maybe he goes to Atletico in January and we can receive a good mount of money that reduce the money that we will spend in Lukaku.

I like the attitude and mentaliy of Lukaku and he proved that he can score a lot of goals in premierleague. Its a important aspect.