Rubber bullets

Hmm...people seem to want to ignore that part to think that Jose is in no way a master of media manipulation and want to keep on dreaming an image that Chelsea is his one and only true love he will ever have. Just shows what a pathetic and gullible bunch of twats people here seem to be.

What I mean he is not the person to take our forwards because he is not someone you use ot create a sustainable long term future. I laid it out before, Jose's style is hedonism personified. Yes he will give you trophies if you have a good team ready (the likes of Lampard, Terry, Gallas,, Makelele etc. all were brought under and made a cog in the machine by Raneiri, who also oversaw the transfers of Cech, Robben etc.) and give him funs to by readymade stars, he will give you for 3 seasons trophies (although tats not guaranteed, at Real Madrid if he does not win the Champions league his rein at Madrid will be seen as a massive disappointment). But like I said with Inter and us to an extent, once he leaves, then you have problems with a big powerful dressing room that is difficult to control (often impossible) and o long term plan. I honestly don't want that again, if it means another 5 years of unpredictability that could lead to a few of complete mediocrity (look at Inter for Christ sakes).

I'm not denying those two points, but I think the term don't turn back comes to mind, especialy with such a short term manager who is no garuantee to have the same success as he did last time. And from what I have seen in peples overly dramatic posts, it does seem they put him bigger then the club.

We didn't actually sack him though, he left on "mutual agreement" terms, I know people will claim that was basically a sacking, yet people don't seem to remember what the atmosphere was like. Not only did we start the season with some poor results and some dire results, there was constant news reports of infighting between the board, Jose and the players (if you believe Makalele's autobiography Terry was directly involved with the toxic atmosphere that was developing with Jose), so it was not exactly like everything was rosy then the 'evil' members of the board conspired against him because they did not like him and wanted him to go. And here's the thing, Jose is all about Jose, he is a cult of personality that does it for his personal glory. O.K that’s fine if you want to have instant success but unless he is given full control which is becoming rarer in football and clubs that have boards that play a more active role in the footballing affairs is a fact of life) he will eventually get into conflict with someone and create a toxic atmosphere. Here it was with the board, and with Madrid its with both the board and the players. What I'm trying to say is that he is not the guy that takes clubs forward in the sense that he will put in the foundations to make the club both in terms how we use players in terms of acquiring them and replacing them and the general atmosphere in a state where it can be sustainable. Like I said previously here is hedonism personified, the kick feels great and it seems to be unstoppable, but once you run out the withdrawal can be a nightmare. For example after he left, our fortunes we went in almost complete free fall. four years after he left we went two seasons without a trophy, one more premier league title where we could only win by one point and a dressing room that was too powerful, had too many big egos in it and was a nightmare for managers to get a grip on it, either being forced out or having to take such a lax approach that players could almost get away with murder and not be punished (Ashley Cole shooting someone with an air rifle springs to mind). Yes, we won a couple of trophies, and you may well say that it was Jose's influence that won them. But that may very well not happen next time. Hell, look at Inter Milan, after he left he created an almost unmanagble dressing room with big egos, but they went the complete opposite way. Choulo said it best: This is why I find some of the fan mentality absolutely cringe worthy - when I read posts like "OMG JOSE'S COMMING HOME!!!" and "We really need Jose, his going to save us!", its making Jose bigger than the club, in the sense that they are falling or his cult of personality and trying to make it that he is Chelsea. You could say that if he was here like Alex at Man Utd, but he can’t stay at a club for more than 3 years, gets into conflict with someone in the club and his whole career is going from club to club trying to give them instant success before bugging off and leaving the club he left to do the hard work of rebuilding. Is he a great manager, no doubt about it, bout trying to make it as though Jose and Chelsea are somehow spiritually one, I find nauseating and insulting to the club. Sure if you want him so it may give us a few trophies in his short time before moving on then fine. But don't pander that he is the long term saviour of Chelsea and the club personified, its bollocks.

What for 3 years before he fucks off again, all the while leaving a dressing room that is almost impossible to manage and another 5-6 years of complete unpredictability, all the while people like you constantly cry demanding that he is brought back? Yeah it might be like last time when we still won a premier league or FA cup every once in a while. But it could be like Inter where they go through years of mediocrity before they finally start get back to shape. Your mentality is what I absolutely cringe about some fans here, basically making Mourinho bigger than the club. Mourinho is hedonism personified, fine if you want instant success (not guaranteed it will be like last time) for a few years, but this idea that he will bring the club into infinite prosperity that will never end for a quiet period is absolutely laughable. How can you call yourself a Chelsea fan when you basically have just put it down as Jose's play thing?

I'm gong to be very honest, I'm not exactly going to welcome this with open arms. I'm very crap at getting my thoughts out on a keyboard to a forum, I'll just say that some of the posts here are franky embarrasing and to me as I interpretate it as basically bellitling the club, all of its 107 years of exhistance, its highs and lows, as nothing more then Jose's plaything. Wish I could express it in more detail but like I'm said I can't do it very good by keyboard.

I honestly feel a bit sorry for Torres, everyone on this forum will mock him and get on his back for the penalty miss despite scoring the winner and having a very good game today, a rarity.

But that still does not deter the fact that once again Lampard was complete passenger in the game with no attempt of trying to press any of the Steaua players or instruct any of his team mates to get closer together, pass more efficently and not to lump it upwards to the goalkeeper, which he was one of the worst cases. How is this the showing of exprience and leadership? You contantly bring it up and glorify and yet so many games he is just a passenger and seems to do nothing (and don't say trying to score, I mean trying to help the midflied function instead of making constant runs forward that most of the time lead to nothing). Sorry if I'm holding him to a higher standerd,but when I constantly here how vital he is to the team becuase of leadership and experience then he should be acting like a leader on the pitch, not standing like a lemon.

Its taken a right wing extremist looney to state the obvious to the English press. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4828595/Steaua-Bucharest-owner-Gigi-Becali-says-Chelsea-are-too-slow-to-win.html

That does not excuse him from any blame. For someone who appearently has so much "experience" and "leadership" he should be setting a better example

How can they do anything when Lampard constantly lumps the ball to the goalkeeper? Its like he keeps thinking Drogba is in the team.

Its being reported on Sky Sports now http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8541920/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

To be honest, Spurs were weakened with the sale of Modric and Van Der Vaart with not the greatest of replacements. So I give him a lot of credit. To be honest he would have been perfect for us next season if Frank and John leave the club and he is allowed to get players in the vain of Moutinho in. A case of the right manager at the wrong time.

Why the Ramires/Lampard pivot? Why is Ivanovic never dropped? God's sake.

I do hate Lampard's shoot on site policy, 99% of the time it leads to nothing but the opposition getting the ball back.

His 23, he has played nearly 150 senior games, he was in the starting line up in the winning team of a Champions league final. He does not need a personal tutor, especially from someone who basically, whether on form or name only, will always limit his game time in his favored position, at a stage of his career where he should be playing regularly. Saying that he is happy to have Cole stay for another year, possibly even longer, comes across that he is happy to continuously be a bench player a lot of the time - not exactly the sign of a hungry player wanting to succeed.

I fear this young man lacks ambition. At 23 going 24 he should be wanting to be a first choice in his club's left back position. Going to the media and saying how glad you are that your rival for that left back position is staying for another year (and with most managers likely to go safe and make Cole unchallenged for that spot, means he will probably not be getting regular first team football in his natural position until he is about 25), comes across as someone with not much confidence in his own natural abilities and accepts defeat that he will be spending the rest of his time at Chelsea ass a sub before leaving for pastures greener.

Well what's your explanation? They did it for shits and giggles?

Err, they were both roughly the same height.

Florent Malouda thinks Chelsea is petty. Most people think Malouda is a cunt.

He and Lampard are actually good mates. He helped write his biography so he may have good connections on the contract situation.

The problem is that some people think he never has and never can make mistakes, and that by appointing him again we are suddenly going to have years and years of nothing but prosperity under him under the idea that he should never have left in the first place (even though huge cracks were appearing between him, the boar and consequently the team) and if he had not left we would be going nothing but going up.

Silly, I'm just heading caution and wanting to be rational (something you probably lack). I just feel that people continuously yapping that Mourinho should come back "home" where he "belongs" is making him bigger then the club. Which I find squeamish.

Problem is that some people have this grandiose idea that he will be sticking around for possibly 15 even as long as 20 years. That's not going to happen, because about the second or third year he either starts getting bored (Porto and Inter) or gets into conflict with the board (Us and Madrid). Also, I still find it ironically sad that people are celebrating whenever a news report comes out of him unable to get the dressing room to cooperate? Yeah because it's not like it actually shows that he is not an indestructible manager who never does anything wrong management wise.

Sorry but the people who keep posting "Please come home Jose!" and "Come back to where you belong!" sound like 5 year old kids begging for sweet. Sure he may bring a couple of trophies. But it will be 3-4 years max and them him leaving due to conflict with the board and even players. Talk about making someone bigger then the club.