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I reckon that's because Pep is rather ruthless - e.g. getting rid of Deco/Eto'o/Ronaldinho and using Messi up front rather than Ibra. Eto'o and Ibra obviously didn't appreciate this ruthlessness but I doubt Guardiola gives a shit given that his Barcelona side was one of the best teams ever. I'm sure Jose and Pep both have their fair share of haters and admirers among their former/current players.

Kinda taken out of context because Frank didn't mean it this way. What he meant and said he does better than anyone he's played with is shift the ball quickly right before shooting.

Blaming tonight's performance solely on the strikers is a poor excuse. Cavani and Ibra both had shit games tonight and yet they still outclassed us.
Signing Cavani or Costa is not magically going to improve our build up play, ability to break down packed defenses, decision making in the final third and crossing.
There's a reason Drogba had by far his best season under Ancelotti rather than Jose.

Better players next to him...behind him...ahead of him.
Luiz and Ramires in midfield ffs

No I don't.
It's actually quite impressive how little you actually understand football. Guardiola's sides aren't just good at passing. That's such a ridiculously naive view that suggests you've never actually played (maybe even watched) football.
A pass is when the ball is kicked from one player to another. Now for the ball to reach that player it has to be accurate, but the player also has to be in space and working for 90 minutes to continually find space and be available for the pass is incredibly hard. It takes determination (guts/balls) to push yourself like that which is part of the reason Guardiola's sides had questions about burnout raised about them.
Allied to that his sides press insanely hard when they lose possession (that first 7 seconds after losing the ball) which only adds to their workload, so to say that he favours technique is ridiculous. His sides are some of the hardest working sides you'll find in world football which is why he places such an emphasis on training and training camps in particular.
Equally to suggest Mourinho goes simply for the mental is overly-simplistic. His tactics require a huge level of concentration and anticipation but also an incredibly high level of precision when making breaks (look at Madrid's breaks that frequently involved Ronaldo or our own breaks against Galatasaray or Arsenal - precision, pace and concentration combined).
But yes....Guardiola does like passing.

The entire quote sounded like dig at Ramires and Mikel. to motivate them to do better perhaps

"He has added stability, not losing the ball, but at the same time he is not the type of player that plays only square passes"
Guess mourinho is not impressed with mikels play too

True but I was referring more to the attacking players than the ones you mentioned there. Even then though, while the technical abilities are important, a large part of this 1-2s, combination play depends on movement, making those penetrative runs into space etc so that we get into dangerous positions. One would think this would improve and see more of this such as when teams park the bus against us over the years and after 3 quarter of the season gone under Mourinho but yet that hasn't been the case. More often than not, we see lots of passing in front of the oppositions' defence and then just aimlessly cross the ball in.

Maybe so but one would think it's unforgivable that we haven't improved in that aspect to play more 1-2s and give variations in our play with 3 quarter of the season gone..

Something I saw on twitter.Dont know whether all of these quotes are authentic but thought I should share it anyway.
"The world is going crazy about CR7 and Messi, Chelsea have got their own 2 in 1 package."- Didier

"He has the world at his feet."- Frank Lampard

"Not as much goals as Torres, not as much assists as Mata; but he's done whatI've only read in books- he's started a REIGN OF TERROR."- Petr Cech

"I regret not signing him. He's just fabulous."- Sir Alex Ferguson

"Give him some better finishing power, and a raving for goals; and he will give CR7 and Messi a run for their money."- Arsene Wenger

"He just has to increase his goals tally, and England will forget who's Gareth Bale."- Rafael Benitez

"There is a Ballon D'or, if not more, waiting for him in future."- Paul Scholes

"The only way to stop him is to foul him."- Theo Walcott

"I can just say that when i played against him, I felt that I'm struggling with Cristiano."- Ryan Giggs

"He's the third best player in the world, and mind it, he'll prove my saying."- Jose Mourinho

"The fall of LOSC is the only thing he needs to prove his greatness."- Zinedine Zidane

"When defenders start running back, and run and turn around in all directions, you gotta know its him coming."- Martin Tyler

I think there are things Hazard does that are better than Messi, but he doesn't have the consistency of Leo and there's no shame there. As I was watching El Classico I tried to envision Hazard playing with Barca and frankly he would would put up insane #s because his style meshes very well with Tiki Taka.
I look at his numbers with Chelsea and in a more offensive system he might have 25+ goals and 20+ assists.
He's under appreciated because he doesn't have the big numbers, but I think it has a lot to do with the Chelsea system, but also the lack of having players on his level.

It's 21 shots not 21 chances. Big difference. Maybe 2 chances created - Schurrle (counter) and Hazard's chance that's all. The team looked lost in attack - trying long balls very often

We don't need to have a man over Crystal Palace in midfield, Matic - Luiz alone can take care of anything Crystal Palace throw at us from the centre of the pitch. You don't need a deep 3 man midfield against Crystal Palace. A number 10 would've definitely helped us going forward in the final third... I'm not sure I even need to explain why. Even Mourinho acknowledged that by taking off Luiz at half time and bringing on Oscar.

Difference is, you won't find me complaining about the West Ham game because we played well and created some good chances to win the game and the approach was right from the get go. What harmed us in the game is lack of clinicality - that is not the same problem we faced against Crystal Palace.
That's the thing - we shouldn't be focussing on counter attacking a team that is going to put 10 men behind the ball - that's nonsensical. We need to focus on keeping our better offensive players like Hazard up the pitch, creating spaces for them with off the ball runs from our full backs and our striker and other players around him - none of which happened because the approach we took was too conservative to begin with. We need to take more risks and kill these games off from the get go. Hazard coming back to get the ball shouldn't happen either, he's our best player offensively so naturally you'd want him to stay in the final third most of the time. You don't want him coming back to get the ball - that should be the pivot and the number 10's (to an extent) job.

I've said this before but I'd definitely sacrifice a very little ounce of defensive solidity to make us far more threatening going forward. Yes, we don't have a great striker up there (especially when Torres plays) but in my opinion, simply giving the ball the Hazard and hoping he does something magical with it to unlock the defence when he's not even in the final third indicates that against smaller teams we don't have a clear attacking pattern. Often, there is no clear penetration or clever/designed runs off the ball going forward against these sort of teams and that to me indicates we aren't setting up for these sort of situations in the final third correctly.

How am I asking for the impossible? Is thinking that we should be playing more open offensive football against the likes of Crystal Palace really too much to ask?
As I said; if you read the of my post I appreciate a lot of what Mourinho has done, i.e. making us the best team defensively in the country - but that doesn't mean he's done a perfect job... Like I said, I am not advocating that we play more expansively in all of our games, I was simply commenting on Mourinho's approach in this game, against Crystal Palace - which is what I said in the previous post before; if we isolate this game solely then Mourinho has to shoulder some of the blame as we set up too conservatively in this game, we gave CP too much respect. It's a problem we've had all season against smaller teams, it's naive for anyone to ignore that.
How many of those shots turned out to be quality chances? Maybe Hazard's miss only? That's not good enough against a team like Crystal Palace. We need to be creating a lot more against teams like these. That's my main and only problem with Mourinho's approaches in these sort of games, the fact that we have struggled a lot this season to consistently churn out great chances against smaller teams instead of relying on a couple of individual pieces of magic... Surely you have to look at the way the team is set up if it's a recurring theme?
How have I not been realistic? I have said since the start of the season that I don't expect us to win the title and I have continually said that I've seen a lot of good things this year, but that doesn't mean it's been perfect - I know we're a few players away from completely eradicating the problems in these smaller games but at the same time Mourinho's approach in some of these haven't been great either... That's my main point.
I'm not doubting Mourinho's abilities or discrediting the work he has done this season at all... He's done a good job in his first season back indeed, but that doesn't mean he's been perfect... My only criticism for him this season is that we approach smaller games in the wrong manner - I've said that all season. That does not equate to me not having faith in him as a manager.

General mistakes not technical mistakes. For example we could see through the match that we don't create enough opportunity...etc that is what called general mistakes. Technical mistakes includes pointing out players didn't make run, didn't choose the right pass...etc which is the job of the manager.
I don't see anyone here trying to go into details how the team should play? but rather we all want to point out that we don't create enough chances against teams sitting deep(fact with statistic to back up if you want). Analyzing I didn't say to go into details but rather to just point out basically.

Ultimately the blame lies at his feet just like the praise does. We have always struggled this season against small teams and a coach of his calibre shld hv solved the problem. Even Rodgers who is a lesser coach found a way to go around his weak defence, simply set up to out score the opponent and its worked a treat. Mou has to take blame for our failures IMO especially against bottom sides just as he takes praise for our victories over the Top 4

yes, the match performance is very disapointing
but what make it worse for me, is what mourinho said at post match interview
he just said teams ONLY didnt have spirit, this is very very disapointing because this indicated he BLIND WHAT HE MISSING from his team
theres isnt coincidence, why our team struggling over and over against small pub team
he still didnt realise, there is something more to be concern and improve than just our spirit
and he even mention our ONLY single chance in 1st half by saying " yeah the match is hard, but we have some good chance ... in first half we didnt take"
really ?

i'am actually fine with his player selection against CP, maybe that is almost the best line up
but Mourinho hardly to make progress in the game when we just cant counter attack the opposition
when the oppositon waiting and allowed us to had more ball / possesion, to iniate the attack.
Almost nothing improvement in such aspect like attacking player movement, the combination play, intelligent decision making in final third
And he seem doesnt realise it yet, what make us often struggling to CREATE chance against small pub team, there is more than just lacking motivation

Really couldn't have said it better myself. Absolutely spot on.
I think most reasonable fans all appreciate the work Mourinho has done this season but to argue that there aren't any flaws in the way Mourinho sets up the team at times and that the reason we struggle against sides like Palace is down to the striker or lack of grit and has nothing to do with our over reliance on counter-attacking is just.....pure fantasy. It's fantasy.
You're better off arguing with a brick wall imo.

I've seen a few Atletico games and they are what Mourinho is building us towards which is a very hardworking and efficient team. I think their tactics work better in Spain where there is a culture of teams trying to play and being open. We don't have that luxury in this league; teams are more than content to stick 11 men behind the ball even at home. We need more in our locker than pressing and counter-attacking.

Hazard's skillet doesn't include 'beat 8 players and score a goal or make a chance'. You're giving him too much credit if you think it does.
Yeah it'd be naive of me to suggest we roll over teams like Palace but I've done nothing of the sort. I'm suggesting we should look to have enough ideas to at least create chances and know how to manage games that pan out this way.
Torres is a crap but yesterday was more of a systemic and tactical issue than anything else in my opinion. Costa or whoever will struggle to score goals in this team. A better striker would just be more efficient with the scraps he's given, he won't single-handedly improve how the team functions or develop our play beyond what it is.

Because asking an individual player to waltz through 7-8 opponents is not a tactic. This is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone refer to an individual players’ contribution as a tactic in a team sport.
When faced with teams that play like Palace we’re almost always clueless. No patters of play or rehearsed moves, just Ivanovic aimlessly lumping the ball into the box ad nauseam.
I can't agree with your grit/determination rhetoric. Torres is crap, we've known this for years, comparing him to one of the best strikers in world football doesn't excuse what happened yesterday.

I have said from the start that I don't mind if we win the title or not but if we isolate this game on it's own, some blame has to go to Mou for the way we set up our team. You have to expect this sort of performance when there is still no patterns in our attacking play against teams that sit deep against you, it's always been my only problem with Mourinho's approach especially against the smaller teams.
You can't keep relying on the individual brilliance of Hazard to bail you out in these sort of games.

Strange comments after the game. The team needs more balls? What? Nonsensical. That in no way describes what happened yesterday. And obviously most supporters buy that and think a lack of balls is the problem.
The team only really knows how to counter-attack and not much else. In almost every game we need to take the initiative and break teams down we struggle to create and rely on Hazard to make something happen.

How does it make sense in giving 22 year oscar a "rest" while playing a 36 year old lamps. We are a team that is poor in breakinf down tight defences.
Our strength is pressing the oppositiin higher up the pitch, forcing them into mistakes.
And our strength in quick pacy counter attacks.
Unfortunately lamps as a no.10 can't do anything and it ahowed.
It was a poor decision to not start oscar.
This does not mean that the players are not at fault for this dis-spirited, patheitic, hopeless play but mou has to take his shate of the blame too. Go to the match thread and see how many of us thought that an early goal was important. The team that he put in, simply could not have done that.