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I have personally never rated Oriol as high as some do on here, you can check my posts in his thread. I think Chalobah has a higher ceiling and with him coming from the academy and everything, if he actually made it which I think he can, it'd be fantastic.

Gotta give it to Gilvorak who's found a niche on the forum for being bitter towards Mourinho, what a shit niche to have!, lmao. At least Tommy10 has all that ladyboy shit..
When Mata was sold Gilvorak was actually advocating Rafa (of all people, just to attack Jose). Yet here is 'pointing fingers' at Jose for supposedly not praising Terry, a player who was marginalised by that very manager.

Mourinho acquiesced. It's his call and his error (in my opinion).

yep, people can bang on about our defence against bayern but the truth is we were incredibly lucky and on another day could of been thrashed 7-0. mikel may well of put in his best performance that night , he actually bothered putting in some effort, but bayerns midfield still shat all over him

Maybe because he's the guy in direct competition with Matic for a place in the XI?

The Southampton game? Unfortunately that game pretty much summed up Mata's place in our system. He did nothing wrong but we just weren't firing like we have been in other games. The introduction of Willian and Oscar brought pace and directness to the game both in attack and defence. It's not an isolated incident either.
Mata simply doesn't fit in our team anymore and making space for him completely changes the way the team plays. Benitez got away with playing him because he built the entire system around him and accepted that he will bring certain weaknesses to the team. That's fine when he's playing well but on off-days (and he did have them) then the whole team looks poor.
You've got yourself a great player but he has to be used in a very specific way. Fortunately you've got a tactical genius in charge

Thanks Little Magician!

I honestly don’t understand why people feel the need to take sides - why the need to blame either José or Mata? Did Mourinho suddenly become a bad manager - people loved him on Sunday and can’t stand him 5 days later?



José didn’t think Mata fit well enough into his system (I don’t see any crime committed here) and wanted to keep him as a squad player. Now we have known this for some time. Mata wasn’t happy about it and decided to leave the club - that’s his personal decision and no crime committed here either.



I respect his decision and wish him luck. Personally I would have been happier if he went on loan somewhere else, but it’s his life. And I don’t see how Man United can suddenly become a huge threat - not with the manager they’ve got.



For me it was much worse when the club decided to make Torres our number 1 striker and thus forced Drogba out of the club.

Stats are like mini skirts.. they give you good ideas, but hide the most important parts.

Has anyone stopped to think that this is actually a good deal for all parties involved?
We get an insane amount of money for a guy we don't even play. Mata gets playing time at a decent club. United get a much needed motivational boost by signing a great player.
It's also good for the PL, as Jose said.

Of course you can but don't be surprised when people call you up on some of the stuff you're saying. He did try, and in some games he tried so hard he was knackered by halftime (Southampton away). Mata realised he is physically incapable of playing the way Mourinho wants, he hasn't played a single minute for the last three weeks. He can fight until he end of the season, next year and up to 2020 if he wants but he will never be the athlete Jose requires for his system. This offer was too good to turn down for both the club and the player.

Give Mata a break people. He's a footballer and he wants to play football. It doesn't mean he doesn't appreciate us and it doesn't mean he's ungrateful and that we should start burning shirts with his name on. :confused:
He's served us well but we simply have no need for him so of course he'll be happy to move somewhere we can can be fully utilised and also earn twice as much as we were paying him (that's another issue...eventually he would've wanted to receive the wage he felt he deserved and he'll get that at United).
It's a good move all round. We've got rid of a player we don't need for a healthy profit, we've already replaced him with Willian, we've bought in a young player who seems to suit the team a lot more (proper squad depth vs the fake squad depth Mata offered us - depth only counts if you're prepared to actually use it) whilst denying Liverpool a player they wanted and Mata gets to play football regularly again. The only downside is that it might reinvigorate United but there's a one word answer to that thought.....Moyes.

Who's actions?, what madness?, the two biggest mistakes made in the Roman era was sacking Mourinho and signing Torres. What's going on now isn't madness, we are selling a reserve player who doesn't fit into a system the greatest manager in our clubs history is implementing.

Why do people bother with gilvorak and lionsden?
They have been like that since the beginning.
No matter if we win the pl they will still be against what the club and mourinho is doing.

Dear god, this thread really shows the mental state (and age I assume) of a lot of people here.

"Dear Mr Champions League, League and various cups-winner,

We, the true fans of Chelsea, think that it would be a mistake to sell Mata.
You see, he has more key passes than Oscar this season, something we are sure you and your army of people working with you have failed to notice. Since this stat is everything, selling him would be wrong, and we do not care that we are currently on a seven-game unbeaten run in which Mata has played a relatively small part in.
After all, you have to win titles for this club on our terms, nothing else is acceptable.
The fact that you can reinvest £40m and make our squad one of the best in the world does not matter either, for Mata has more Key passes than Oscar. He was also a suberb player the last two seasons in which we were not even close to the title (which we are now), but that too is irrelevant because INDIVIDUAL STATS.

Kind regards,
Pro-Mata"


Seriously, wanting to sell him does not mean we hate his guts or think he sucks, it just means that we trust a club-legend who happens to be one of the most succesfull managers in the world. Getting £40m by selling a player who adds very little to the team that we use today (except being an option when resting another player) is hardly being ignorant or something similar. We all want Chelsea to move forward, and surely rebuilding the squad under the stability of the same manager is the way to go?
Oscar is inferior when it comes to creativity, but just saying that he "tackles well" is just as silly as calling Mata bad. He is not playing very well now, but so did Hazard under periods of time last season, they are both young and keep developing so it is to be expected.

The only drawback of this is selling to Utd, but if they are willing to spend £40m no, they will do exactly the same during the summer. Is it not better to know their star player very well? Know your enemy etc.
This way, we have the money to buy say Zouma and Shaw and have money left, or Costa and like 90% of Zouma. Utd have the means to greatly increase their squad either way, for all we know the difference in quality could be marginal if they buy another AM.

Munich was a once in a lifetime underdog story. You can't plan for that as a club, it's not something that was down to the genius managerial spark of RDM either.

Lmao.

Shame that he's going to United and he's a classy guy who has been a fantastic ambassador for this club but at the end of the day it's purely and simply footballing reasons that have led to him leaving.
Mourinho's style of football really didn't suit him so we had to make a choice between the coach and the player, and thankfully we've gone with the coach.
Some of the stick, abuse, vitriol and downright pathetic comments from some members on this site towards the club, the board and even Jose are pretty embarrassing. The club will survive this and I think we have the coach, the system and the players to prosper. United have got themselves a great bloke but they're still in dire need of at least one midfielder....and a coach.

He already is in my opinion, and one of the best managers in the world seems to think the same too.

he's 22!!!!! I haven't even heard much of Mata when he was 22. Of course he won't be as consistent as a 25yo guy. But that 22 yo is a key player in Brazil NT something that Mata was never capable of being in Spain, even if he's 25. Yeah, we don't have as much talent in the position as Spain has, but do you think, regardless of how bad the other options are, it's easy to step into Brazil's #10 position? You guys have no idea what Brazil NT is for Brazilians in general. The boy showed a lot of character doing it at age 21 and OWNING our midfield, even if he didn't do it offensively. He didn't need to do that when Neymar and Hulk were down on the flanks running the show (not much Hulk ofc). But he's dictated our tempo, controlled the midfield and killed oppositions. That's no easy feat.
I'll agree with anyone who says he's inconsistent ( I just liked a couple of posts saying as much), but how much do we expect from a 22yo that got transferred to European football only 18 months ago? Let's not allow our expectations to be higher than they should. He'll never be as creative as Mata, I'm positive of that, but he might end up being a better football player...

This the same board who brought home the best manager in the world, brought us Hazard, Oscar purchased a potential world class goal keeper in Courtois and dare we say helped us to CL glory?
Of course they have done things wrong but for crying out loud hasn't any board?
I actually think people don't praise them because they want to moan at them because it makes them feel better.
What a bunch of fickle people have around here.

Yeah sack the board. Mata should definitely stay on the bench against his will. What have the board ever done for us anyway?
Get a fucking grip. This is embarrassing.

You're the most butthurt person I've ever seen on this forum. Chill the fuck out.

this thread has been hilarious in the last 20+ pages I just caught up with.
It's funny to call our board, our club, our manager all kind of names based on a rumor or something that is likely to be only us paying back for the Rooney summer gate.
Right now it's a bunch of knee-jerk reactions that shows how some fans are so willing to say shit about this club and the people working on it so quick for so little. Can't even wait until all those things actually happen? Let's see if he will indeed leave, if he will indeed go to ManUtd and if Rooney won't indeed come before we call our club, manager and board all names in the book. It's one thing to say we'd be really stupid to let him go to ManUtd, another is to say 'Fuck Chelsea' as I read...
Then there are the funny parts. Go back to this thread a hundred pages back (probably more) and see people saying how having 6, even 5 AMs was going to destroy our locker room (which has not happened as so many here predicted, Kevin left in a very peaceful way) or how it's impossible to manage even 5 players for 3 spots and have them happy and make it work. Now people are crying that having 4 AMs + Rami and Lamps who can also play in the position (in addition to Moses coming next season), isn't enough so that's why we shouldn't sell Mata. I mean, if 5 AM for 3 spots is too much and 4 is too little, the ideal is 4½? I'm confused
My instance on this is, I wish Mata was given more time to see if he can adapt. For me the only way for him to still play for us is adapting to the system and while I don't think he has the tools to do it, I can't say for sure he can't, so I'd be willing to wait and see. I don't care about his career at all (or any other player's), so I don't mind seeing a player like him in our bench and if he's useful for us, I'd rather keep him even if we only use him sporadically. Once proved he's useless to the system, then I think goodbye is appropriate, and I'd wish we'd get as much money as possible for him. I'm just not sure we've given him enough time (not exactly minutes, but time on training) to adapt to what Mourinho needs on the system.
But in the case the board sees fit for him to leave, my best wishes. While I don't particularly think it's great business to sell him to ManUtd I really disagree about people saying he's going to solve all their problems, that he's what they need, or that Mata will make them competitive for the top 4 again. I think it's delusional to think as such. They need much more, starting with the person who sits in their dugout. Mata isn't even the kind of player they need imo, if I were Moyes I would have some other priorities now. They have good prospects for the position in their current squad. There's some lack of ability to manage their prospects that created their AM problem, not the lack of players. How does Mata fit perfectly a 4-4-2? Isn't Adan the answer to all their problems? Don't they already have a #10 in Kagawa that they don't know how to use? I can see the struggles continuing for both Mata and ManUtd as he goes there. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for either.
I can see a lot of similarities between ManUtd/Mata deal and Chelsea/Willian deal. Not what they really need, something that could work, could improve them, but not the key to their success. Can we even say ManUtd have a system these days? If they do, I don't think Mata is the answer, although he'll improve them some. It's flabbergasting to think a player of his caliber wouldn't improve a side, of course he does, but I don't think said improvement will do much for them as they'll still look very frail in other zones and they'll overload a zone they have enough players (doesn't it sound really familiar to you?).
Is Chelsea better now because of Willian or because of a new working system from a top class manager? And even the comparison must be done cautiously because I think we had much less weaknesses and deficiencies in our squad when Mourinho arrived than ManUtd have now. We've had top class players in: Cech, Luiz, Eden, Oscar, Mata (even if Luiz and Mata couldn't keep their level from previous seasons). Working hard players such as Ramires and Azpilicueta. Solid players such as Terry and Ivanovic. Useful players such as Lampard and Mikel. We had striker issues and pivot issues and we could use some reinforcement in our back 4, but we basically had only two detracting issues: pivot and striker. Look at ManU's squad. They have issues - and not only welcoming reinforcements - in basically all positions. Their best players are too injury prone, and the reason why both aren't playing currently. Their defense is aged and the players are facing their best days in the rear mirror. Mata will improve them, for sure, but won't be the answer to their problems, just like Willian wasn't to ours, although improving us. Kevin or Schurrle would have filled his shoes in different circumstances just fine, maybe not as good, but not to the point where we wouldn't be where we are now because we didn't have Willian.
I agreed with a lot of things here, but it's really funny how discussions go a 180 in only a matter of months. It's hilarious to read now that 4 AM players for 3 spots is too thin when so many people were yelling their lungs off when Willian was signed saying 5 was already challenging to manage. The most common post back in those days were that 4 AMs + Moses coming back or at our beck and call was more than enough. Hindsight is a blessing.

Exactly. I dont know why people take this like it's about Mata being a bad player. He is NOT a bad player, he is one of the finest, but there is a clear incompatibility between him and Jose's system. There are two questions:
1. Is Mourinho's system good for Chelsea, even if it's bad for Mata? Yes, the results are there to prove it.
2. Is Mata more important than this team's performances and results? For some, he might be. Unfortunately, they are not Chelsea fans.