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By the way... What the fuck? Israel just keeps on amazing me.. They keep finding ways of making Hamas an attractive "option" for Palestinians... Couldn't have a worse strategy - even if they fucking tried to.

Fox News? American media outlet? The same USA that provides what, $60 bn every year to fund "your" army? LOL mate. Using that video as a source is just.... Pathetic. Sorry, but it really is.

Regret? Because you bomb the shit out of them? That is a strong statement. As I said, flexing your military muscles and launching a land offensive is by no means a solution to end all conflicts. Actually quite the opposite. Making widdows, slaughtering children - pushing the Palestians into the arms of Hamas. You are creating the Hamas soldiers of tomorrow. Don't think that is your intention, but that is what you are doing.

Yeah, mate, I was really frustrated, but I tried to keep it to a minimum. It just scares me, to be honest. Scares me to see such intolerance and inbred hate towards one another. Of course I can only provide my take on the conflict, and I attempt to be rational. But the emotional part of me wants this conflict to stop now. Not tomorrow, not in a week. BUT NOW.

Mate... Of course it's not easy to take them out one by one... But it is a MUCH, MUCH better option than just carpet bombing streets where you believe someone might be hiding. Like Mohammed said, you have one of the strongest intelligence services in the world, backed by US capital and experience, you should really have no excuse. Go about your business carefully, it would avoid so much pain and anger. We totally agree that Hamas are bad people, mate. They are. They are, to use Ashley Cole's words: A bunch of twats. But you cannot, CANNOT keep using the human shield argument. Yes, some people might have been used that way, but the majority isn't. They are unlucky (feels so bad to say that) bystanders that have NOTHING to do with Hamas other than being in a close proximity to a BELIEVED Hamas hideout. How is it fair that they die? If I killed your child without reason, you would hate me and want me to die as well. That is what you are doing. You are breeding hate, mate. A vicious cycle.

This.... This is the truth. You are not hurting Hamas, you are fueling the extremism by killing innocent people, and breeding the anti-Israel hate.

Why not launch small-scale operations to take out the cells one by one? You spend so much money on your intelligence services, you should be able to gather decent intel on their location, and act accordingly. Not bomb every street, just to be sure.

You are as ignorant and stupid, as you are intolerant, misled and inhumane. Discussion over.

The Jewish Home (Hebrew: הַבַּיִת הַיְהוּדִי, HaBayit HaYehudi) is a religious Zionist political party in Israel. Seems I was right. Right-wing group. Sigh...

Do you even grasp the idea behind opinions not being factual? You can't prove that you're right without providing an independent and impartial source to back up your claim, and you've failed to do just that. Using IDF as a source is cringeworthy at best, and you call me out for only using western media channels? If that is not hypocrisy at its finest, then I'm done. So because the USA provide money to other countries than Israel, it is entirely acceptable? So because you kill Palestinian children, it is okay for them to kill Israelian children? Of course not. That is just another ignorant statement. The US is not a fucking giftshop. They don't just give you money, they want something in return. They fuel your warmachine, and you don't ask any questions or even remotely think about why they would give you that money? I hope to God that you're simply a right-wing lunatic, and that Israel will soon realise that this conflict spawns nothing but hate towards them, and prolong the already perpetual conflict. Best case scenario - you'll get rid of a handful extremists, but at what cost? You'll kill hundreds, even thousands of civilians laying the foundation for new anti-Israel extremists. If we're being hopeful you push the problem months, perhaps a few years into the future and let the next generations of Israelis and Palestinians battle it out again. It is a cycle of violence, destruction and innocent blood. And you have your share in the blame, just as Hamas does. I don't know if we can. I am scared and utterly stunned about how you view the conflict and the deaths of innocents. I highly doubt we'll be able to talk about normal things, seeing your intolerant and inhuman world view.

I'm not disputing the nationality of the dead soldiers. I am calling into the question the funding of 'your army'. The weapons the soldiers are carrying, the vechiles they are driving etc. You are deliberately avoiding my questions, and it is a tiresome strategy. Disagreeing with and criticizing your own country does not equal being a traitor. Never. I don't care about you being proud of serving your army? That is a personal matter, and we're discussing a conflict much, much bigger than you and I. What you are proud of and what you're not is irrelevant. We simply do not give a shit. Are you really that ignorant? "I would like to see international, official statistics on this supposedly vast majority. Go ahead. Try and find ONE convincing, impartial piece of research." Your video is neither international, convincing or impartial. It is the fucking IDF. Try again.

Where did I claim that killing civilians was the true aim of your operation? Fuck's sake man, you read what you want to read. UNDERSTAND. I'm saying, that killing civilians is the RESULT of your farcial operations. Not the fucking aim, you tit. Your army? Might as well be a US army. Bunch of mercenaries. And you continue to use the human shield argument. I'll quote myself then: "Again, you still fail to supply a single VALID source on the human shields, and the supposedly vast majority."

Sigh.. You just don't get it, you mong. Please quote me where I denied Israel it's right to defend it's borders. Please. Go ahead. You won't find it. What I am saying is; since your army is bigger and well-equipped (not even paid by your own government by the way, but supplied by American tax money lol) it should be NO problem at all to minimize civilian casualitets to a bare minimum, which, let's be honest, you aren't exactly doing now. You should not launch a fucking land offensive, but take out the terror-cells one by one. Not fucking bomb every street where you think someone might hiding. The traitor part again just highlights how borderline vile and pathetic your views are. How the fuck are they traitors, and not just people of a different opinion than yours that do not agree with your governments policies? Should they be killed too? Aren't they Israelians too, and their opinion just as valid as your own? You are intolerant, and the Israelian intolerance, strive for perpetual warefare and the capitalist lobbyism is what fuels this conflict and robs the lives of innoncents, on both sides. Mostly Palestinians though, who are unable to defend themselves, they can't even escape your merciless bombings. No, you are not a true democracy. I've never heard of true democracy where people are labelling their countrymen traitors just for going against the general consensus. That is oppressing a minority, and that my dear friend, goes against the core principles of democracy. Yes, the majority rules, but it has to respect and listen to the minority, and not fucking obliterate it. How is it democracy if you ridicule and oppress all views apart from the one of the majority? You should care about how the world views you though, since US taxpayers are paying for your army. You should care since we are a global community whether you like it or not. Who is going to save your ass the day the Arabian nations have had enough of you killing innocent people and declare war? I highly doubt you can take care of that yourself, but who knows, you are spending the US capital given to you fairly well, if the goal is to kill people in which case a "well done" is in its place I think. You should care about international opinion since everyone in their right mind acknowledges your right to defend your territorial integrity and national sovereignty (read: original Isralian borders), but killing innocent children and women is not part of that defence. Of course it is almost impossible to avoid civilian casualities, I know that, but it seems you take no significant (don't give me your bullshit about the leaflets etc. where do you want them to go you tit) steps to minimize it. Take notice, the international society does not condem you for nothing, there are several reasons. Again, you still fail to supply a single VALID source on the human shields, and the supposedly vast majority. I suppose we've put that behind us then.

You are so fucking ignorant it is unbelievable! You know the truth? Fucking tell us the truth then, pseudo Messiah. There is no truth in this farce of a national defense. Your enemy, Hamas, is a brutal terrorist organization, I agree. But come on man, they are NOTHING compared to your army both in terms of numbers and weaponry. The collateral damage by bombing Gaza is HUGE, but you excuse it by using the insane human shield argument, yet you fail to provide a SINGLE impartial, international and thorough piece of research to support your argument. You rely on personal feeling and what YOUR government is telling you. Get some fucking perspective, you are killing innocent people, ffs. You don't live in a democracy. Not when a political minority are labelled traitors. That is a fucking fascist regime. If you wanted international support, you'd stop the killings, initiate small-scale operations and take out Hamas members one by one, not bomb the fuck out of Gaza and hope you hit someone from Hamas amongst hundreds of civilians.

How is it not war hungering though? Tell me how many times Israel has been at war during its creation? Completely ignoring my request for objective research I see? Good, never use the human shield and vast majority statements again then. Completely ignoring my comparisons between suppressing your 'own' countrymen's opinions in Nazi-Germany and Israel I see? Good, then accept that not all people agree with you, and their opinion is just as, if not more valid than yours. Ignorant humanbeing.

Fuck's sake, are you really that fucking ignorant? Sorry for my phrasing, but if every Israeli shares your attitude and intolerant views, then your country is REALLY fucked up. CHILDREN ARE DYING. They are being slaughtered for God's sake! Don't repeat your convienient phrase: 'IDF and our gov tells us that vast majority is human shields' because that is complete and utter bullshit, and you fucking know it. THEY ARE CHILDREN. I would like to see international, official statistics on this supposedly vast majority. Go ahead. Try and find ONE convincing, impartial piece of research. Your views are disgraceful. So people, leftists, wanting to honor the death of several hundred Palestinian children are traitors AND do not support your soldiers? HOW FUCKING PATHETIC DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU? Maybe, just maybe, they don't support the course, the operation set by your warhungering government and right-wing groups. But no no no no, they are against the soldiers of their own country, and want Israelis to die. That is a vile and inhuman statement, buddy. Reminiscent of Nazi-Germany, if you didn't support the state in every affair you were a traitor wanting your own to die. Wake up, ffs. I hope to God that every Israeli is not like you. Sadly, it seems you and your fellow countrymen have been misled by years of propaganda and effective government control via perpetual warfare. Sad, most of all for the Palestians suffering from inbred hate and extreme nationalism. So much that you even call out leftist Israelis for going against the general consensus. Fucking disgrace. RIP to all Palestianians who died yesterday, and to the ones who'll sadly die today due to the Israel warmachinery. Blood will run in the streets, and the 'vast majority' of that blood comes from innocent Palestinians. Sorry.

Keep feeding your propaganda machinery. I'm certain that will solve the conflict. Furthermore, calling leftists in Israel traitors for pointing out hypocrisy and the crimes committed by the gov goes to show how fucked up your views are.

How are and can opinions be deemed true or false? They are opinions after all, apart from the fact that 'a vast majority' of the killed civilians quite possibly CAN'T be human shields. It is simply not possible, and you know it. What is a' vast majority'? 50 %? 80 %? You categorize deaths in percentages and numbers and write then off as a regretable inconvenience, yet you continue the slaughter. This guy is a lunatic. Fuck him. I'm not your friend, judging by your latest postings you are part of the right-wing groups of Israel. I am far left. I do not wish to be associated with you. So bugger off, 'mate'.

Lol what a tit. Uses UN sources as an argument, but when UN officially condems Israel, it's meh. Vast majority of killed civilians are human shields? He is a fucking disgrace.

Same here, though my internet is decent. It is REALLY slow...

Am I the only one having trouble with the Chelsea FC homepage regarding the Chelsea TV livestream? It can't seem to load.

For fuck's sake. Get your shit together, Israel.

Thanks, Strike. Nice to finally get noticed and receive praise for the immense contribution I have made to this forum. LOL, kidding. Not about the 'thank-you' part though. Thanks, mate. I'm not sure if I deserve it though. I tend to lurk too much, and don't give my opinion because I often agree with the likes of TOPTB and the Skipper, and I feel that I don't have anything to add. Here are my nominations: Best football knowledge: TOPTB Best general knowledge: Fulham Broadway Best newcomer: iseah100 Best article writer: Alex, Best graphics and videos producer: Feroze7 Best staff member: Fulham Broadway Funniest forumer: Stingray. Most-liked forumer: The Skipper. Wisest forumer: TOPTB. Most controversial: Won't praise anyone for being controversial just for the sake of it, you need reasoning to back it up. Biggest contributor: TOPTB. British Member of the Year: TOPTB. International Member of the Year: ME!!!! Nah, umm.... Barbara has to take that one

Come on, does it matter that much to you?

The Lord has spoken. Do not doubt his word, Mr. Stingray. I am the chosen one.