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footballer god... the world does not know it yet. Nor do chelsea fans.

heh good luck with the second part. Agreed. Football is a very competitive market and it is VERY easy to attract top players when you offer top wages. Can't really agree with the idea that Hazard is carrying the team when every manager, and now himself, tells us otherwise. Mourinho said that Hazard had a free role and the rest ran for him. Some into the ground (like Oscar). Conte did not say anything, but hazard performances in his second season spoke for themselves. Now Sarri is saying that Hazard plays for himself and not the team. The player's answer is that he does not care about what the manager says, and that he does play for himself (to be happy or whatever other nonsense he said). I honestly cannot understand how folks don't see a pattern here. It's really not about the stats, but the context in which we take them. Hazard is not a team player and either he is shining on his own, in which case the team benefits from it, or he is useless and the team hurts a lot. Because when a different type of player has a bad day, he might still do the defensive phase (like Sarri likes to say), which Hazard does not seem willing to (which drives the criticism from the manager). So, while Hazard's and this other player may have similar attacking stats, their defensive numbers, or even the more subtle ones (like how many off-the-ball runs), can be drastically different.

Can’t wait for hazard to leave, because so will hazard fans. Only Chelsea fans will stick around... because suffering is part of being a fan. well, we will get a new batch of player's fans, for pulisic, and they will be very much alike in fanboysm as well as Naïveté.

yeah with long-ass contracts! Honestly his last cameos, and the fact he's been in the senior squad this season seem like a desperation move. The player is being "professional" and looking for the best option for him. Can't say the same about the club though.

Right, but we really can't. And it's not just the fact that all our managers are constantly under pressure. The transition for 18yo players is very difficult at this level. That's why the vast majority of them make the jump from 18 to, well playable, in smaller teams and in weaker leagues. The club certainly has some funny business model, prob attached to some very peculiar requirements, but this is one thing I find it hard to fault the club. In all likelihood, Odoi is still a couple/few years away from actually being able to influence matches. Either way, this ship has sailed. Now we can either take the (very little) money or make a point.

Back to youth team for a year and a half and move on. Use it as a deterrent for similar behavior in the future. Don't get bullied by a kid, his agent, or another club.

wow! what a shitty response! Could not believe the headline and actually watched it... and it was even worse.

If you are referring to me, you are probably mistaken since I merely said I had not seen Emerson play, like ever. And pointed out that the manager(s) and the myriad of coaches are better equipped to know whether he should. Now I think taking too much from one home game after a strong public criticism from the manager is, let's say, a bit premature? But I guess that's what these forums thrive at: faulty comparisons. If Emerson really plays well for the remaining of the season, then I will come here and come clean (:)): which is to say that the player I had never seen play a proper game of football appears to be a good player. Still won't change my opinion of Alonso one bit though ;), a good player who directly helped us win a PL title.

Yes, goal threat is his biggest asset. He’s a strange one though and a bit similar to Eden in how inconsistent he can be. And like Eden, it’s really not about when he wants it, but rather when the opponents let him. He struggles against tight marking and against physical players... he’s really frail and will not help a lot with the pressing. so, a player who gives a lot but also takes away some... definitely NOT a Barcelona player.

Jean Pyerre, 20, is still well under the radar because he's only had cameos in 18, but will likely get a lot of playing time this season at gremio. I should be able to catch a couple of libertadores matches over here. not a whole lot of footage, but his control looks pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VaTW-_Kass * been hearing a lot about him

Spot on. just to add that the occasional bad touch or miskick from Salah may also be the price he pays for his quickness. perhaps his game would be a lot cleaner if he slowed down a bit. Good for Liverpool that he does not.

Nailed it on the head right there. Contract blunder. In a truly professional environment, someone would be in trouble there.

fair enough, but the point stands. Make it the "biggest" club then, if you count structure, youth system, franchise, and silverware.

Could not care less about a player who is not committed and wants out. Good luck... not! Quick example: second half against Arsenal, Eden drops back and attempts go past two Arsenal players; beats the first and is fouled by the second and goes to the ground. No question, clear foul. Meanwhile, Giroud was completely unmarked a few yards to the left waiting for a pass that never came. The result is that our attack was slowed down by his decision to favor dribbling, which he does quite often. Whether Giroud would've been able to continue the play is also irrelevant, because you got to play with your teammates. In tough games, like against Arsenal, (not all games against big clubs are tough) he will get fouled often. Same in single-elimination CL matches. He will never be able to consistently influence tough games unless he learns how to deal with that: mostly with quick passes and movement (on and off the ball). Regarding whether he is world class or not, yes of course he is. On the other hand, you've got to pick one: either he's that good and therefore will very often play alongside players who are much less than him, or he is not that much better and requires more support to play well. I personally think he belongs in the latter category. So, while I think he may achieve more success at Madrid if they fix their shit (it's the richest club after all), his influence will be largely the same.

Agreed. It's only a slight tweak that is needed there. Perhaps his focus needs to shift back to being a destructor and the 3rd cm move up a a bit, which might be more easily done with Ross rather than Kavacic, who looks too much like Jorginho type in my telly. I totally agree with Sarri. The attitude was the biggest problem, and only a few players showed desired in that match (one who shall not be named did). Take Hazard for ex, I know he gets a free pass for the sheer love fans have for him, but his body language was all wrong against Arsenal. * can't talk about the lack of a striker though

LOLOLOLOL (I have more lols than you) Right, because it did not happen to our very last two managers... and it will happen again to this one. Much quicker if he drops senior players.

People can’t be this naive around here. while he can rotate, dropping senior players who are underporming needs to be done very carefully. That’s the easiest way to lose the dressing room and ones job for a manager.

Fair point. Probably something CHO and his agent (and family) are considering. Cho can choose to be more patient, or show more patience, like you seem to prefer tho. It’s his choice.

The only fact here is that your claim, that he is shit, is a mere opinion, but never a fact. And I thought only my president had a problem with that...

Yeah I don't agree that Willian is shit. I think he is not great, but not shit. Thought he was a lot better than Eden against Arsenal for example. And a hell lot better than Pedro who had a shocker. My fear is that folks here are expecting way too much from a 18yo regardless how talented he might be. A misjudgment here can actually hinder his development. When things are not great, you play the senior players who are used to occasional slumps. Players you can rely on (key words). Yes, you should definitely try the youngsters to see if they can contribute here and there, but do not rely on them. The next manager will start the same players... the same way the manager before did. Because they are the best players the manager can rely on. At some point, if CHO impresses he will get more and more minutes. It's the natural progression and it has happened the same like a 1000x before. Perhaps folks here are too young to have followed many youngster's careers, but as a gremio supporter, I've seen quite a few of "the next" ronaldinhos. The last one happened to like Cheeseburgers a bit too much... (somewhere in Manchester). They all fail (the ones who do... majority actually) in a myriad of different ways. Now because Bayern is in the mix we will have to put him on higher wages. Yes, money is a big part of being a "professional" footballer.

I bit calmer and thinking about the game. Honestly did not think this was a horrible performance esp away from home against a tough opponent. It was just sloppy in very specific important areas. The first goal was a brilliant play and that first touch was half of the goal. Now the second was just sloppy. And we did have opportunities in the final third, but we lacked any sharpness to put it in the back of the net. Pedro was making all the bad choices today (shooting too soon), or miskicking it, well he was completely off. Hazard was pretty poor as well. Thought WIllian had a decent game actually, for his standards. Giroud was scary in how he actually managed to not even connect to the football on WIllian's assist. TBH Kovacic is looking like a player we do not really need and it will be hard to justify his price tag. Jorginho and Kante line needs work esp away from home. Won't mention certain players because I'm just not really interested in that discussion. Either one of Arsenal strikers would walk into our starting XI and that was the difference today/yesterday.

Went missing against Arsenal. No excuses: false nine, Sarri BS. He saw a lot of the ball while playing false nine and then when back in a free role. Held to the ball too long, did not pass quickly enough and always looked for the dribble. He is our most important player and we need him to step up in these games. This was not it.

Why is he the owner now, or even the manager? Does he get to choose which should start? Better yet, has he done more than Willian in football? If the answer is NO to all the above, perhaps yeah he should be patient especially when the club is promising him minutes and higher wages? He may even learn a thing or two from Willian... <gasp> like not give up the football when the team is building an attack? He looks really good on the ball and has that youth restlessness which all fans love, but he needs time to start influencing games the way we want him to. It's not going to happen overnight.

He’s not patient enough and I am disappointed he’s is allegedly forcing his exit. you asked.

Agreed, but then we play with 10 men... it’s a tough one.