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Until he proves it at top level, he is nothing. Right now the biggest prospect we have is RLC who actualy had good season in PL. I hope Mount and CHO make it at Chelsea, but their talent is far from enough. If they have the right mentality, they might actualy have a chance.

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i dont dislike him per se, but there is nothing likeable about him either. He always talks about spain and real and atletico and this and that, never shuts up and commits. Secondly, his performances arent that fantastic either. He isnt bad or average Gk at all, he is very good. But not world class. Cech was, he could change the game on his own, something you rarely see from GKs. He was commited and always gave his all. Tibo fails miserably when we realy realy need him in 8/10 games. But obviously he saved us few times and Cech made big mistakes few times, but generaly, Cech was more dependable. When we played big side, I knew we have Cech on goal and its going to be hard to concede goal. With Tibo, I only pray he wont concede some stupid goals, not confident at all. But it all comes to character, loyalty etc. Tibo has none of that, which makes him just another servant to the club. If we sold him and got Alisson or Oblak, I wouldnt care tbh.

It can be said vice versa. No matter how good your CBs are at ball playing, if they are bad defenders, you wont get far in cups, unless your attack is sublime. Dont get me wrong I would love ball playing CBs, but you have two types of them. One that is actualy good defender and the other one who is overhyped based on their passing and ball playing skills, but he gets exposed over and over and over. Terry and Riccy were formidable on the ball. But they were praised for their defensive skill. I loved having such CBs. I have nothing against ball playing CBs, but those who are qulaified as "great CBs" because they can pass, however they defend average feel like frauds to me. A very very simple example would be Bonucci or Chielini/Barzagli. Bonucci is fantastic ball playing CB, but he is absolutely average CB, who was saved time and time again by other two. Chielini/Barzagli are not on same level like Bonucci on the ball, but still very formidable and underrated. As for their defending, they are miles ahead of Bonucci in every aspect. The thig about modern CBs is that everyone hypes the shit out of ball playing CBs because they cant praise their defensive abilities. You still have many CBs who get the praise by their defending abilites, but it doesnt mean they are crap on the ball. And finaly, every ball playing CB has cover in more complete defender. Ramos had Pepe, Pique had Puyol, Bonucci had Chielini, Hummels had Boateng etc etc. While the former are superb ball playing CBs, the later are not shit on the ball at all. But miles better defenders. We already have Christensen as that out and out ball playing CB. His partner should be someone ala Chielini, Godin. No nonsense CB. We need CBs that qualify into elite (potentialy elite) level defending, but also have nice set of skill with the ball Then there is the mentality. Terry was great ball playing CB (underrated), but he was also no nonsense CB. If you had to clear the ball, you cleared it, not dribble and try fancy stuff. He was also great defender and wasnt exposed like some ball playing frauds today. Maybe you got me wrong, I want us to have no nonsense ball playing Cbs and not these modern wanna be messi CBs. Its just almost impossible to find such CBs and thats whay I prefer someone like Godin over Otamendi. Dont tell me you would pick the later just because he can pass. Umtiti is also good example of good defender, but doesnt lack in playing the ball from the back. Im not against ball playing CBs, but against those who are hyped as great CBs just because of their Ball playing skills (Bonucci, Otamendi,...) because the reason why they are hyped based on their ball playing skill is because they are crap defenders, and you cant praise them for that, not because they would be absolutely superb on the ball. They are mistake prone and thats last thing you need when forming a new identity. For Burnleys and Palaces, it works. But Pep was spanked time and time again in CL with their "modern CBs".

I hope for the sake of this club identity, we dont play two CBs just because they are good on the ball. Otamendi is pure shit of a defender for example. Pique, Ramos, Stones, Silva nothing special when it comes to pure defending. Terry and Puyol were good ball playing CBs, but their reputation was based on world class defending. If we can get classy CBs who can pass the ball and at same time superb defenders, Im all for it. But if we target CBs like Bonucci, every quality striker will punish us. Like Pool ripped City defence apart. Honestly I rather see boring Chelsea than bunch of pussy CBs like Otamendi, Bonucci,...man f*ck your ball playig skills if you are garbage defender and fail everytime things get heated. Pique, Bonucci all got carried by Puyol, Barzagli, Chielini, Busquets,...they have elite passing and ball control skill, but as defenders they are nothing special at all. Some "random" CBs like Naldo, Miranda are miles more reliable. I hope we dont follow that path, but it seems we are. If thats the case, we can safely assume that our european chances will depend on how good our attack will be, because I guarantee these ball playing CBs will be on fail videos everytime against quality opponents. Take a look at Luiz, he was here for his character and ball playing skills. He wouldnt be near first 11 if it was for his defending. Give me Miranda, Godin, Chielini over these fancy CBs anyday of the week.

Just wondering if we switch to 4atb and Sarri loving ball playing CBs, he will surely play Christensen, right? That means we will play Christensen-Rugani and I have little confidence we can put in a strong defence with such young CBs and no vocal leader around. Azpi is good defender, but he is hardly leader like Terry. And he wont be around CBs all the time on that right side to instruct and lead.

Not talking about Golovin specificaly, but several players had superb cups and gone absolute dogshit after. I dont understand why is so popular to hype players who have good world cups. Maybe those who get all to the final, but thats about it. These players arent good because of world cup, they were good before. But the media hypes the shit out of them. Doesnt mean they are actualy good because they have a few good games against third tier teams and it also doesnt mean they "exploded" in world cup, becuse alot were better before for their clubs. James Rodriguez was amazing in Monaco before World cup. Same with Aurier in Toulouse. This year its Lozano. He was already amazing in psv. On other hand you have the likes of Giacherrini or Gebre Selassie who had great cups but are crap players. Renato Sanches is another brilliant example. If we are targeting Golovin, better be because he was good in CSKa and not because he played well against f*ing Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Its unbelievable how much hype some players get after few good games in world cup. They are not goddamn Ronaldo9. With these kids being good in world cups/euros its more chance they turn shit or underachieve rather than reach their potential.

Not sure he suits PL tbh. He lacks strenght or balance. It would be hard for him in midfiel.

This dude makes Kane look like an asparagus.

Talented, but hardly anything elite about it for now. Elite is top level of play, Billy isnt even senior level, nevermind top tier of senior level football. As long these kids dont show at very best, they are only elite talents. Being elite player with elite skills is whole different world. Dont get me wrong, Billy is good talent, but his passing would be nothing special if you throw him in our first 11 right now. In general, I always found quality passing and vision key is experience. There must be talent sure, but experience plays all the mental part and for right pass, its all in your head. To time it right, to predict movement etc etc. Execution depends on talent, but idea is all in the head. These 17-18 year olds have no elite passing or ability to control midfield for a top club, because mentality is huge part and most are not ready for it.

So much for rumours going to Bournemouth back in december. This will be another pointless loan I think. Even if the players have superb season in championship or eredivisie, that means fuck all. The club still wont use them. Then its another loan and another loan etc. RLC was thrown in our first team, then loan to PL team. DeBruyne was loaned to buli. Courtois and Christensen went straight into clubs from top leagues in germany and spain. Those 4 are only ones that either turned top players or still can. Baker had great season last year, but its all bust again. I dont see the point of these loans, should be small team in germany, spain, england, france...if they arent good enough for low table teams from 1st divisions by now, then maybe they never will be good enough for Chelsea. At least you test them to see their level. Loans to second tier clubs are waste of time in 90% of our cases.

Why do we need him exactly? We dont need another CB. Even less, we dont need another inexperienced, young CB from different league. Seems this window will be same old, throwing 30m+ on average players instead of getting 3 top class players to strenghten midfield and attack.

The problem was in Chelsea and AVB. We are counter attacking team. Period. We played great football under Mou in his first spell and Ancelotti. Yes there were shit games, but generaly we dominated opponents. Then we suddenly want to play fancy under Avb? Sure it will backfire. We had 10 years of pragmatic football and that created identity within club. Obviously you cant change that in one summer like we tried with Avb. Its like you would want Barca to play like Atletico starting next season. Mate, this fancy football hype is unbelievable. Everyone is bandwagoning the fancy football nowdays. Bring me Drogs and Lamps squad ahead of these Guardiola style cunts anyday of the week. People think we were parking the bus all the time back in the day. Thing is we played great too, destroying teams. But obviously against Barca or similar big team, you will defend. You think we will play ball against Barca or City and win at their own game if we meet under Sarri? Haha. Or maybe win once but lose next one, like Pool did. You just have to know when to stay back and defend. And be great at it. That wins you titles. Thats why Madrid wins it. Can Sarri push back and defend efficiently? What we need is to create a team that can dominate in sense of being in control. Not a team that can keep the possesion and play fancy. Dont know where this obssesion comes from. Why is everyone trying to make revolution here? Whats wrong with pragmatic football? The media keeps banging that tiki taka shit that made people brainwashed. Praising Bonucci, Otamendi, Ramos best defenders in the world, when it was obvious they werent even best in their own team (Pepe, Barzagli, Chielini were) Does Atleti give a shit how they play? They play their own way and with quality players they are up with the best. But we have to change, play fancy blah blah. Yeah, we must get rid of the pussies in the squad. We must become dominant again. People think we will dominate and be best only if we play offensive football. Bullshit. Back in 2003-2010 we went toe to toe with any team in the world. They had superstars, we had determination. Everyone feared us at Bridge. We had powerful squad and when we went in offense, man, we could destroy anyone. Long shots, corners, freekicks, crosses, headers,...we had it all. We could defend 80min, then go to offense for 10 min and they didnt know what hit them. Thats what you call being in control. You dont need Sarri/Guardiola possesion football to be good. Real, Barca, City will always have best attackers suited to such game. We will never beat them in their own yard. But pragmatic approach where they attack and we do them on counter? Possible. Now dont get me wrong, we played great football until 2010. The CL 2012 and after that was more often than not complete park the bus. Last season the players lacked spine and Psg spanked us every season. I didnt like football we played last few years with exception of Conte october2016-january 2017 run. But the football we played before 2010 was great. We didnt always win, but we sure put superb performance in nearly every big game. Not the bs we have to watch past few years with few exceptions. I will suppport Chelsea whatever happens, but IMO we wont win shit if we go full Guardiola/Sarri approach. Even Guardiola himself sucks in CL for years now. We need to play pragmatic or like Real plays. Nice football, but dont let that blind you from how pragmatic they are. Pulling all kinds of tricks. I hope we dont get to play the way City does, a bunch of pussies with no identity that gets spanked by every tactical manager in CL. Their defenders are wankers, know how to pass and walk with the ball, but cant defend. I guess thats modern football nowdays. I admire Atletico to stick with their style, the same style we once had. But we turned into sheep who follow latest trends. If board truly decided to play fancy, then fucking stick with it. Get managers and players that suit it, get competent board and create new identity. But fucking show some guts and determination and bring players that give a shit and have a spine.

Wait, what do you mean by Rugani is better than Barzagli? Barzagli is 37 years old. He is past his best, been on decline for past two years, but before that he was actualy better CB than Bonucci and Chiellini. Ask any Juve fan, they will tell you no one could tackle and read game better than Barzagli in BBC trio. Rugani seems nothing special to me. Allright CB, but thats it. Once Caldara comes back, Rugani will play even less.

Why are we interested in Rugani though? He didnt develop that much in italy, we should go after Skriniar instead.

He wanted the same attacking style with Avb back then. We were extremely solid team prior to that. Sure we didnt win CL yet, but we had a crop of players who were tough and big characters. We had one of most powerful squads, but sure our football wasnt as cool. Then we appointed AVB, decided to bring new philosophy and bought bunch of players like Mata, Marin,...with varioud degrees of success. That was when Chelsea decided to move on from effective powerhouses to fancy technical players. It backfired big time and we ended up with several pragmatic coaches again, but the squad was never ther the same. We ended up as pragmatic team with kind of fancy players-turned workers, and we even won two titles (and CL, but that was still old guard leading the way). But with this "modern team" we failed spectaculary in europe and twi times ended up without CL. Personaly, if we could get another era of 2004-2010, I would take it with both hands.I cant stand players like Morata,...who bitch all the time or gutless Fabregas,...even if it means fancy football. Chelsea had identity, maybe not the most pleasant on the eye, but it had its charm. If I wanted to support fancy football, I would start cheering for Barca back in 2005. Dont get me wrong, I like to watch those tricky plays, but it just not Chelsea way. We played some amazing football during old guard era too. The club right now needs strong, loyal and never give up characters more than fancy football.

Indeed. What if we go for players sarri wants and then he is sacked? The club should make a plan of style and identity. Follow that and bring players/coaches that fit the style. Back under Mou, we had pragmatic coach, pragmatic match approach and pragmatic players. We had success because the core wad always the same. Players fitted different managers (more or less). And managers fitted the players. Going from Conte to Sarri is huge step because many players will be useless in Sarri play. If we bring players that suit Sarri and then go back to Conte/Mou type of manager, it will be another 3 years of transition and no improvement. I know what you mean, but we should get players (and coach) that match Chelsea ideology. Not just Sarri wishes. Sure that goes hand to hand usualy, the club appoints manager that has same vision as the club, but like with Conte, Chelsea wasnt united at all. If board has other ideas, dont appoint Sarri at all. If we get Sarri, I hope the board realises we have to target players matching to his style, not because of Sarri, but because of new Chelsea ideology. If we drop Sarri because he flops, and appoint another defensive manager, our next 2-3 years will be more and more misery

Maybe but thats down to financial restrictions, not because the club would take new way of ideology. Which is probably even worse.

With Sarri, we will play completely different football. Wouldnt be surprised if we end up well behind top 4 by november. But thats a process Im willing to take for benefit of next seasons. However I doubt the board will feel the same. It would be another Avb situation, Mou was huge name still and got more time to repair things. Sarri is regardless of his success, still only a small name. If we wont see quick progress, I dont see it impossible to sack Sarri and appoint some caretaker manager until next summer. Because people have to expect us to be spanked by most of top teams in first months due to nature of Sarri football and no chemistry in the start. You think board as clueless it is will continue to watch that? Marina and Co dont have capacity to understand its progress that will come good for the next 2-3 seasons, they want imeddiate results. The only thing changed is the money we are prepaired to pay for players, the ideology is wastely the same. After all this season with Conte not being the best, we saw rumours all the time. And he won title last year. If Sarri wont deliver, he wont last. The club lost its way and current board has no one with actual football knowledge like Kenyon.

With current Chelsea board around, If Sarri has slow start, he will get sack before he can turn it around.

My very first choice would be Kovacic, but Seri is still miles ahead of Cesc nowdays. At least our midfield would be more dynamic again.

What they need IMO is GK and backup winger. If Fekir is to play in middle, they still dont have anyone quality to replace their trio. And when one of those three isnt playing, they are much weaker. If they got hands on another quality winger who would rotate with their main 3, they would be incredibly dangerous because unlike now, they wouldnt need to depend on health and fitness of Salah, Firmino and Mane every single game.

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