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Mourinho: "If you are in a club that wins, if you want to win again you have to create instability in the winners, make them doubt.“ [GQ]
 
Yep, he is definitely the right manager to build stability and a dynasty. I don't know why Roman did not see that.

I remember a year or two Emanolo getting a lot of praise for the job he done in getting young and exciting players.
My how the mighty have fallen....

Wow just watched the analysis by Frank and Jamie
It doesn't look good and I agree with what Jamie is saying - he's lost the dressing room!
Then I watched Ranieri's interview - wow what a nice bloke he is, I dont think anybody can dislike him
And the reporter said about Chelsea it's a shame and Ranieri said 'they are my team, Yes it is bad, but now I'm Leicester manager'
Top fucking bloke, brought a tear to me eye.
That's a true manager!!!

Fuck Mou we play like crap we lose and yet RLC doesnt get a chance when others perform absolutely shite.

No balls just fuck off if you cant make changes and improve the team.

Leicester has confidence. You can see that in every player. Chelsea is the opposite. And the man responsible for that is Mou who keeps playing shit players while he benches those who perform well.


Im done. You cant get this low with such team. I wanted to support Mou till end of season but in past months not a single improvenent. Nothing. Just more bullshit and more excuses and more shit football and no results.

I would be happy if we at least tried to play better with more team approach and attacking sense. Or if we fielded young players in every game. But no. Still same players play week in week out without a single motivation and then there is Mourinho who is full of crap after each defeat.

If he leaves i wont bother. Thank you and thats it. We are in the bottom ffs that is what you call a failure. Being arrogant and calling wenger specialist in failure and blaming fa and the pitch and refs and making players thugs on pitch and playing absolutely shit football to watch. Then the sam person with a team worth what 800m sits one place from relegation? Fuck off thats karma right there.

Wouldnt mind if Carlo comes back, at least he can connect with players better and play nicer football.

He's throwing most of the players under the bus now. This isn't working. We can't sell 20+ players, so he has to go.

In the five last years, it seems we have set some embarrassing 'precedents'. With di Matteo, we have been the first Champions League winner to not qualify for the second round of the competition. Ancelotti also has his word to say : after winning an excellent Premier League title (103 goals..), he miserably failed the very next season. Even though he still managed to get the second spot, we played what was until now our worst football.

This two events, I am sure, were the roots of a lot of embarrassments and pain for Chelsea fans. After all, in these two situations, we became the laughing stock across Europe after having achieved something great.

In this respect, Mourinho is putting them into misery. After winning the League, we are into the relegation battle (don't fool yourselves, that's where we are : three points above the 18th) while playing the most boring, the most uncreative and unimaginative, the most hideous and the most ineffective football a top team has produced this last ten years. I though that Ancelotti and di Matteo have donne something great on a 'collapse' scale, but Mourinho takes the collapse to a whole new level...

Chose to go with the false 9 AGAIN with Remy on the bench, chose an ever shocking Oscar AGAIN...Ivanovic walks back in the side a few games ago and leaves our best defender on the sidelines in Azpi because of this...
The bloke is washed up, predictable and has been found out.

Because Klopp took over club that was borrowing money from Bayern to not be relegated few divisions down or even ceased to exist. That's why he was given that final season even though every sign was that it was all over between him and players/club.
Jose is managing club with 5th biggest budget (or 7th if you include that fake Man City and PSG incomes) with young squad and yet he delivers the worst attacking performances from players of that caliber with no results either. Everyone knows that parting way with Klopp was great decision as Dortmund is one of the best sides at the moment. How would you say that it's not the same with our manager ?

The board needs to take a radical stance. As I have suggested they either needs to choose Mourinho or the (some) players. To make this decision it is important to assess both Mourinho and the squad/players. And a serie of questions needs to be sounded : can we rebuild entirely the team ? are some players expandable ? can we take the risk the finish within the mid table and forget europe ? is the manager the right one for the long term ? is our current brand of football what we want for the futur ? etc, etc..
We can sell the players fed up with Mourinho : Hazard ? Matic ? Remy ?? Oscar ??? Then there are the outdated players : Terry ; Ivanovic ; Cahill soon ? Fabregas soon ? Then there are the ones here for a short ride : Pedro ; Djilobodji ; Falcao. Then there are the not good enough : Ramires ; Mikel ; Cahill ?? Fabregas ??
We are left with Courtois, Costa, Azpilicueta, Willian ? and maybe/probably Zouma (and Begovic ?) as sound foundation for the futur. The rest are big question marks : Kennedy, Traore, Baba, rcl, ...
To restructure our team will be a huge effort even without taking into account the clearing of the """anti""" Mourinho players. We have already waisted time and/or money with Lukaku, de Bruyne, Luis, Salah, Cuadrado, Schurrle (Falcao !!! and soon Pedro... and possibly Eto'o and Drogba). We also have lost good players : de Bruyne, Mata, Luiz. We lost a great deal with de Bruyne. It is important to understand that I am not discussing wheter we should have kept or not a particular player but and I am looking at the huge effort already realized. The whole clear out will be a huge and harsh task.
I am at unease with the Ferguson analogies as it seems rather anachronistic to think his situation within the current world context. It happened indeed in a different era. And there are too few — if any aside of him — example of a team keeping a manager for more than ten years while enduring bad periods and where the manager successfully won the challenges. There is maybe Wenger, but I doubt he is the sweat dream of Chelsea people.
You have also to consider that Mourinho is the one that caused the current break down. Whether it is rightly or wrongly, he's the one that brought the negativity inside the dressing room with the way people have been treated. Who's to say it won't happen with the next players ? It happened at Madrid, it happens now, it has all reasons to happen again. He is also directly the reason for which we have build upon a past-it back four and an archaic and patchwork defense (cb at rb and rb at lb ; non offensive fullbacks ; non ball players defenders); and wasting so many attacking talents.
A few weeks after being champions, we cannot manage to sign players from Everton and get the interest of star players. How will we do when we are 10-ish and out of CL football and that our manager has in his last six years C.V. : two leagues won ; two dressing-rooms destroyed ; verbal fights ; many heads flying ; negative football ; more verbal fights ; one eye poked ; a classico turned into soap opera ; DEFENSIVE DUTY ; .. and even more verbal fights. That's not wanking material. Players across the world probably don't give two shit that he is one of us. The two options the board has at his disposal are unbalanced...

Eto'o was signed cos we spent 99% of the transfer window chasing Wayne Rooney and failed.

Here you are correct, as there are millions of players all over the world dreaming of playing top-flight football, but only a handful top players who can elevate us up another level and keep us there. Those players don't want to play in mid-table clubs with no chance to win the most coveted club football tournemanet in the world (which comes with financial benefits). In 2012 we started preparing for a season without Champions League football, result? Marko Marin. Once we had won the CL and secured participation the next season, result? Eden Hazard. That is the difference between most players on the planet (Liverpool standard) and the players that matter (Chelsea standard).

This division between plastic, fake fans and real fans is plain stupid. Define a real Chelseafan? Everyone is fan of the club for his or her own reasons. Some are here because they followed Chelsea for twenty years others because they have become a fan last year, some because of a certain player they like etc... Those are all valid reasons which doesn't make one fan better than another. If some people on here are criticizing the manager that doesn't mean they are 'plastic fans' either, no it means they want some changes so the club can become better. They may be wrong in their reasoning but it doenst make them anything less of a 'true fan'.

Can't see how anyone can have an argument anymore. It's very clear that he needs to go. It's not knee-jerk reaction. He obviously has nothing more to offer the team.

I haven't actively followed his PC in over 22 months now and I don't intend to break that streak anytime soon.
I'm not interested in words. prove it with actions. drop under performing players, improve the teams overall performance, fitness and motivation (that's actually part of the manager's job) create an identity/philosophy, show much improved tactical nous, Base team selections on merit rather than reputation and for the love of God, get the team playing decent football at the very least. it's not too much to ask of a big club/team like ours.

That is no improvement. That was one of our worse first halves ever. Also Everton are better than Newcastle and even Watford won at SJP. We should have won this, no questions about it. Just because we have a bad record there that does not mean a point is acceptable. We are the Champions and bar Costa and Courtois have our best team available. They had their first two LB injured. Cisse injured, Tiote injured and we only managed a point. Nah, not good enough.

I don't normally post in here but it is funny how people criticised those for criticising Mourinho as being knee-jerk and plastic etc based on 3 wins against 2 teams who are not on our level and a game against Arsenal where we got lucky because of the man advantage but now back to square one. People have to realise criticisms coming at Mourinho is fully deserved. Another game where we have failed to kick on. Worrying.

This is not about being liked by the FA. It's a legitimate explanation for the issue that some deem "bias against Chelsea"/certain teams and players".
It's the same in the real world, first time offenders of non extreme crime are shown way more leniency and sympathy than repeat offenders who have literally made the prison and the court their second home. we all know how this works in football and the real world but it just strikes me as some members trying to be argumentative for the sake of it.
If you don't want to become a target, stop giving the authorities a reason to target you in the first place. If Costa wasn't a hot headed, emotionally immature thug, whose main agenda whenever he steps onto the pitch, especially in big games, is about creating drama rather than actually focus on playing football, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The FA and rational/non bias posters aren't who you should be directing your anger/frustrations and criticism at but rather the repeat offenders at the football club i.e Costa and Mourinho who consistently refuse to see the errors of their ways nor strive to change for the sake of the club's image/reputation (at the very least) and that of the team.

i can only imagine how that "bust up" would have gone.
JT - you are shite!!!
Costa - you are shite!!!
IVA - dont forget me, i am the shitiest.
Cecs - no iva, i am the shitiest.
JT (the leader) - stop fighting!!!! we are all shite!!!
**group hug***
**the whole squad hugs while courtois and begovic look on from afar**
**in the background, jose's voice is booming - "we are awesome, we deserved better. we are awesome, we deserved better"***

I am almost certain that some or most players are feeling alienated, because players know that they either a) will not play no matter what, or b.) will play no matter what. Hence motivation levels have dropped for different reasons. I'm sure that the treatment of some players and even the staff don't rub well with team spirit. For example what should Hazard think when he gets constantly criticized for his defending when much worse players get protected and praised for their bloody boots? Then the manager slams other teams and refs for not protecting him, yet recently when our doctors went to check up on him on the ref's call, they got slammed and banished for something that he cried out for before. If you ask me that's douchery and hypocrisy at its finest. And that is only one public incident for us to see, but 99% of the things that happen we don't see. Confusion all around. If I was a player I know I would be confused as hell by my manager. He is not instilling any confidence in the players, but rather sucking it out.

He did say that. But this is the best quote of all:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/jose-mourinho/11519921/Jose-Mourinho-I-have-a-problem.-Im-getting-better-at-everything.html

It is utterly ridiculous when people call fans "plastic" for calling out Mourinho. Yes, he has done a lot for us but that does not mean we should rest on our laurels and accept poor results/poor performances. Just hate when I see these members calling other members plastic.

The fact is that we have been steadily going from good to worse. When Mourinho came, he said his and the club's aim was to improve the team. Evolution was the word used most often. And Mourinho explicitly said that if he fails to make the team play better, more expansive and proactive football, then the blame is fully on him. He also said the same regarding integration of youth players. Well, so far in those terms he has failed despite winning the league last season. Remember his words - he said that he cannot be satisfied winning ugly, there is no evolution in that.
Okay Jose, it would be easy to find those direct quotes from you from ~2 years ago. Now that we are facing the music and have actually been regressing badly, he is blaming everything from luck and referees to computer failures. I wonder if he really feels that way or deep down he knows that currently he is on the failure path more than success path.

Well here's the thing, Mourinho didn't had enough patience with him after a sub par performance, but he sure can do it for Ivanovic...
You need to have more patience for the younger guys not the older guys!

The fact that most people are now only criticising mourinho when in reality the only difference between the second half of last season and now is the result, shows how result oriented some fans really are. My prediction is, once we get a couple of wins under our belt, the teams garbage performances and issue with the team will be overlooked and swept under the carpet as usual. As fans, We have the lowest expectation and standard of the "top teams" on Europe.

Another rather worrying issue that hasn't been brought up in the wake of this mess is just how comfortable all of our opponents have looked against us. In the final few minutes of the last game, Palace were so comfortable that they even had time and confidence to cause our defence more problems and create chances. can you imagine something like that hapenning to other big teams?
The fear factor alone wouldn't even let them dominate like that against City or arsenal for example. This is just not good enough. it's one thing to lose to matches or drop points but for a "big team" to lose or drop points in the fashion we have been is unacceptable imo.
When I watch other top teams, normally when they drop points especially to the smaller teams, it's because the opposition have been quite lucky with their goal keeper and even sometimes the woodwork coming to their rescue multiple times and literally holding on for dare lives. When chelsea are chasing the game on the otherhand, we rarely genuinely trouble our opponents defence and cause them problems. when was the last time we applied relentless pressure on our opponents when chasing the game (by relentless pressure, I mean creating chances after chances?)
Another point of discussion that hasn't been given attention to is the lack of foundation being laid down by Mourinho. This is his third season at the club and we are yet to develop an identity and a template/formula that not only works but can be passed on to future managers to follow. What is mourinho actually doing to improve the team and the club both in the long and short term?