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This was also a problem with Conte 2nd season, it took us going a goal behind before we really tried or showed an increased likelihood of scoring. Ok against smaller teams but against good well drilled teams in a cup final with fans for the first time in a while, it doesn’t help.

I think some of this is harsh, although granted he isn’t always brilliant at times/hasn’t been this season but he has certainly improved with Tuchel after a initial dodgy start when he was deservedly out of the team. His relationship and insistence on only passing to Mason at times is sometimes infuriating though. I feel that at times he and Mason sometimes overplay when there are good opportunities of trying to spread the play or look at more progressive options. Or as we seen in some games particularly v Fulham that overindulging of Mason drifting to the left to get the ball from Ben, gave Gilmour a lot of work against 2 CMs when BG had initially started the game badly also. Its not the worst thing they obviously have a good understanding and chemistry on the pitch but also at times I just want to see Ben drive at someone, take them on, but he turns inside or goes backwards. As a wingback you’d think he would be more encouraged and thats why I can see the Benjamin Mendy links as far fetched as they may be because the guy just gets the ball and drives at folk or arrives in positions to make an impact where he can deliver the ball very often. This is also what I really admire and like about Luke Shaw when I have seen him this last season and a half or 2 seasons with Ole. At times he is just motoring past people when there is space available, physically he is very strong and he just picks the ball up and drives forward and it also relieves the pressure and allows for them to bring the whole team up the pitch 10-15 yards. He obviously has refined his game and particularly his end product after a few disappointing seasons at United also which helps. He looks like he is going to be England’s number 1 LB for a good while at this rate. I do agree regarding the one footed thing, it is infuriating at this level for any player. Cahill was a bad example of it under Conte in his second season particularly also. Not exactly for Chilwell but its a pity that Rudiger isn’t naturally left footed for the LCB role although he does use his left a lot and well we seen Zouma’s role in the build up to the Arsenal goal also. The lack of trust in his weaker side when he had Chilwell and Gilmour on really accountes towards that shambolic goal. I really would of maybe liked to have seen Tuchel or even Conte experiment with Alonso as a left sided CB as he played there briefly in Italy although he does have his short comings. No doubt having a more natural left footed CB may allow us to build better and utilise those passing angles more. Im sure Tuchel used Emerson there in the FA cup in a back 3 too.

Stick to the tinfoil hats and flat earth conspiracies mate.

Also true. It depends as well though, some teams would maybe go on and have a good run after it. Some don’t as Arsenal haven’t. I think years ago it had more value to managers like Mourinho and Ferguson. Despite it being a glorified friendly either way.

That is also true. I suppose though if its against any of these direct rivals it should be treated as a opportunity to gauge where the teams at and maybe get off to a good start. Or thats the way I look at it. Its never going to decide a season obviously or be a huge positive or negative but its a game that even for a tinpot trophy, depending on the manager may vary in terms of must win or just a friendly but still can be used as a tool.

What is 2 mm? Mate its offside if its 0.1mm 😂 They check all the goals for VAR and have done all season. What is the obsession with this the ball is moving thing for the screenshot? How difficult is it going to be to get the exact frame before Thiago strikes through the ball, which happens a few milliseconds before.... they’ve got it where he’s basically just kicked it man. I swear storm in a teacup mate its a close offside but it is offside. I would say that despite the obvious sucking the spirit and atmosphere out of some games it is working to a degree. The consistency was an issue last season and the cup competition the season beforehand but I think they’ve actually made big improvements on it this season to be honest. Its still going to be one of those that will obviously divide opinion but theres dividing opinion, then being outright oblivious to a blatantly obvious decision that a blindman could see.

Aye the CS is one of those but again, even if it is a glorified friendly if your there you may as well win it. Maybe not worth counting as a bigger trophy but still a trophy and still a game against good opposition 9/10 times that teams should be wanting to win.

Obviously its never going to he perfect or you wouldn’t need VAR in the first place but its there and has improved the decisions either way you look at it. It may suck the spirit out of the game a bit or make it a lot more but complaining and saying corruption from the refs cost us is well... daft. Even if the goal didn’t stand we didn’t create enough. Or show enough hunger which is why we didn’t win and deservedly lost.

Finally someone talking about attitude and not VAR or conspiracy. Aye 100% agree, enough ability and experience out there to win that game or do a better job and/or carry the inexperienced lads a bit when it got tough. The first half was a typical cagey final first half but our second half was a complete lack of will to win and effort to try win until the 75th/80th minute. Surely cannot get a repeat of that in the remaining 3 games.

Jesus. Take your tinfoil hat off mate. It's an offside. You think the earth is flat as well? Watch the goal on youtube at the slowest speed if you dont believe me 😂 If it wasn’t offside it would of been a goal with VAR.... thats why its there. To check close decisions.

Its hard to judge but I mean cmon its hit his arm inadvertently after coming off his knee trying to block the ball from James pass (which was a bad decision trying to play infield from there). I do agree the handball rule has been contrasting since VAR came in but I do think that the 2 big decisions today (one the handball the other the offside), they’ve gotten them right after reviewing them again. What did people expect when we got VAR? That it wouldn’t be incredibly strict or wouldn’t give precise offsides which by first look from a linesman may be given as onside in the past? This is what I mean regarding a conspiracy. Its not a conspiracy. Its the in depth analysis to get the correct decisions which people have wanted for years. Cant exactly bitch about it when 99% of us have said refs have made mistakes in the past and we needed something along the lines of it. Just moronic to paint it as a conspiracy every week or whatever depending who’s playing mate 😂

I think this conspiracy/corruption talk you keep hitting out with is in your head. I will be honest if we had scored that goal and it was ruled out for the decision you think we didn’t get you’d be a bit more rational and see it from that point of view.

Nah he is still offside. Watch it back. Aye its minimal but he’s offside either way, people wanted VAR to get accurate calls and that was a correct call... there’s no conspiracy. Its taken from when the ball has been played. He is offside. Getting the exact frame from when Silva exactly kicks it is nearly/basically impossible because the speed of the action is incredibly quick. He was still offside. The one by Perez was in all likelihood never going to be given. Watch it back. Its hit off his knee and hit his arm by accident which realistically what else can he do there he’s stretching to block the ball? People will complain about VAR but James pass was an unnecessary risky one which realising he shouldnt of been playing because Perez is looking to close the angle and then Jorginho letting Tielemans run and Silva’s half hearted closing down attempt where he turns his back slightly was all bigger factors into that goal happening than a handball that probably wouldnt be given 9/10 times.

Tbf its a tight call. Its not as bad as some of the ones we’ve seen this season where folk are well off. Your right though he could probably wait a split second or notice hes potentially in a tight offside position but I suppose chasing a goal and being a fullback, he’s probably thinking fuck it I am in here and with the Leicester fans booing him scoring a goal would of been a huge fuck you to them.

I think its not going to change the fact he’s made a big impact in the last 4 months tbf. He can argue the team is lacking consistency or clinical finishing, which it is and as well we could also argue that without him arguably we could have been a lot worse off than in the running for top 4 and having made 2 finals.

But hes still offside? His starting position is offside? The rule is vague but the screenshot/image they’ve showed it looks the right call.

Its his shoulder/arm. Cant even dispute it. Aye the rules a bit vague and makes no sense but hes still offside.

Hopefully Tuchel goes through him and the other attackers. Theres times to be nice and put an arm around someone but the attackers were anonymous today and in a game of fine details its not acceptable to be anonymous. Even Mount faded after 25 minutes. Why can we get up for 2 CL semis against Real Madrid but not a final v Leicester? Mentality isnt right

Aye it is a ball hair offside. Lets be honest we didnt deserve it.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 so it begins Anyway. Hopefully Tuchel delivers some home truths in the dressing room. Aye Alonso was a questionable start but the front players did nothing and neither did the wingbacks. Looked beat in the second half before Leicester even scored. Finals are decided by small details. Questionable offside (looked like a ballhair was in it) and the handball for their goal although I would think it would be harsh to have given it either way but aye why did it take to around the 75th minute for us to start playing again? He will probably be harsh on himself as he was v Arsenal and West Brom but its now time to see if he goes for some of the players who were anonymous in attack. And if he does how they react.

Would say if Kepa had fucked up or done anything wrong maybe warranted questioning his selection but again instead of criticising players who played poorly, mainly all the attackers, you go after the GK who did nothing wrong all game 😂 ”Can’t command the backline?” How many chances were in that game 😂? Swear some of yous are on the wind up, genuinely cannot be that stupid to go after a GK who did nothing wrong when every attacker who started was poor and we didnt create any big chances. Why are people complaining about the GK though? We didn’t lose because of the GK. Did you pair even watch the game or because we conceded and Kepa starts its automatically his issue/fault? I swear 2 losses and the idiots have come out the woodwork.

True but the starting 11 picked was good enough to win that final as it was with the Arsenal game. Just piss poor. As you said nothing game really in terms of chances, they upped it second half though playing better and get a world class goal.

Aye they’ve deserved it second half. Big big test now on Tuesday. Fine margins, wonder goal and a shit offside call. But performance second half wasn’t there. Players must take majority of the blame, team selection either way we had enough on the pitch there. The drop off from first to second half was abysmal. Abysmal. First half wasn’t great either.

Whats Reece doing fucking hell 😂

Massive. Massive goal. Dont you fucking dare VAR. How can they say thats offside? Fuck me.