OneMoSalah

Na disagree. A top number 9, another midfielder and a CB and we will be right up there I would think. Our problems been conversion a lot of the time with Tuchel, was same with Frank first season for a period and same with Sarri also. We are getting chances be it big ones or half chances, obviously you can always make more but if we had beat Arsenal on Wednesday it wouldnt be an issue.... good teams be it City or Liverpool or whatever, the first requirements to win a league is keeping clean sheets. Its a good basis to start with.

Totally agree with the post. I cant believe anyone is coming out with such shite as we have regressed in attack after 1 game v Arsenal... where we have played 2/3 games where we probably have looked more dangerous than we have all season. Just baffling. But suppose people will complain. If it was as bad as people thought it would have been a concern months ago. But we’ve been getting results and keeping clean sheets... Honestly, where was this complaint before the Arsenal game? It wasn’t a complaint or an issue. Just overreacting again as most people’s reactions have been since that game.... if Werner and Havertz hadn’t missed their big chances with Tuchel it wouldn’t be an issue and only bringing it up now after a 1-0 loss is daft where realistically we didnt create an amazing amount of chances but still should of won the game. This shows exactly why sometimes football fans are fickle and react in the heat of the moment. There has been a clear improvement and the games v Real and City in particular were big signs that our attack has improved significantly. But whatever.

Regressed in attack? Wow. What.... Our attack has probably been progressively getting better the last month or so although still we have a huge number of 1 goal wins under Tuchel. Honestly we weren’t hugely churning out a lot of chances in the beginning with Tuchel, understandably with the lack of time to train the team as often with games every 3 days more or less since he came in. Plus inconsistencies from players also dont help but the way your saying we have regressed as if we were Barcelona or someone back in the day who could easily score 4 or 5 goals every game... The Real Madrid game was our best in attack in terms of big chances created with TT. It was 9 days ago. Where have you got this regressed idea from? One loss v Arsenal where we still had a few chances to win the game? There is a reason, unfortunately, that under Tuchel we have only scored 34 goals in 26 games. And it isnt due to us being ineffective or regressing in attack because realising this last month or so is when we have probably seen our best or most effective attacking play. Teams can have a bad game. I think everyone is still shitting the bed and overreacting overt the defeat on Wednesday. Things such as we aren’t getting top 4 to now our attack has regressed? Honestly...

Honestly I hope not. But even then I think if we lose the cup final then it still means we make the CL realistically as it will be used as sufficient motivation on the following game and I would think it will be hammered home by Tuchel what is to be expected. Even then I still think we will win the FA cup. Leicester are a good team but they’ve shown they don’t have the bottle this season and last season in the run in dropping points, so don’t write that off yet either. In their last 11 league games theyve only won 5, drawing 2 and losing 4 v Arsenal, City, West Ham, Newcastle IIRC. With United being the only decent team they’ve beaten in that run also. I think people are easily throwing away what we have did from when TT came in/what we can still do based on 2 poor results. Some of the reactions yesterday were hysterically over the top. Like Arsenal TV style reactions. Its still in our hands. Lets be clear, regardless of the results, the game v Leicester next week is huge. Always has been. Win there and win v Villa and it will be enough. 100%.

What I dont get as well is people expected us to drop points at City, then we won. So dropping points at Arsenal despite the frustration realistically is the points people expected us to drop at City. We win the next 2 league games it will all be good.

Wouldn't panic yet. Both teams may have nothing to play for but not as if anything definitive was decided tonight. Plus I would say Leiceste have a bigger chance of missing out than us if we beat them next week.

Wasnt there talk of Tuchel wanting him at PSG? I certainly hope not as he has been awful ever since we signed him and giving him a life line would be a mistake. Sell at all costs. Even for 5m. Just sell him.

I love the lack of trust in Kepa despite him having done nothing wrong under Tuchel this season 😂 same people who were probably slaughtering him for Jorginho’s pass yesterday... I would start Mendy though for sure but if Kepa starts, he starts. Would imagine it would be likely anyway as he’s the cup GK. Although then I don’t know why he didnt start Mendy v Arsenal.

And even then for the goal, he could of just hooked it up the line beforehand if there were no viable options on for him. Rudiger does this alot if nothing is on and its better than passing to someone who is 1 or 2 yards away from someone at times because it gets the team 10-20 yards up the pitch to press. Its not just the technical side of it, its analysing whats around and seeing that Jorginho was also instantly going to be under immediate pressure upon receiving the pass. Doesnt take away from Jorginho’s awful pass but also shows Zouma’s lack/limited intelligence as a footballer in a side that plays this way. Even then Gilmour and Chilwell were open before and if push comes to shove then so was Kepa. Playing square passes across your defence under pressure is dangerous.

His poor choice on the ball last night also leads to the goal happening, had 2 options, Chilwell and Gilmour, ultimately he shat the bed and picked neither as it required him using his left foot. And then Jorginho also does a stinker of a pass too but a more comfortable player on the ball ie Rudi plays to Chilwell or Mount. Like Zouma didn’t.

Have to disagree. He probably was never good enough to be a regular here. Harsh but really he had what one good standout season at Southampton and has been well, consistent but hardly as if anyones ever thought we made a mistake so it was the right call.

It seems that way. Not one person will care if we win both the CL and FA cup, even if we were sitting 10th. But two losses (WBA & tonight) when we are still pretty much in control of our own destiny and everyone loses their mind and starts thinking the “safe option” of regularly finishing top 4 is better than winning a European cup by the looks of it. Top clubs celebrate trophy wins not finishing 4th place I thought? Obviously still think we will manage the top 4 but if we miss out and win the CL it makes no difference anyway. As Jason said, we aren’t Arsenal. Being satisfied with 4th place is settling for a near nothing achievement now a days for a club like us. Go have a look at Arsenal over the years as an example of what making top 4 or top 6 finishes as a major achievement gets you. Or Tottenham. Personally, Id rather see us win the CL and FA cup than lose both and finish 4th because its a massive achievement to win any sort of major double, especially one including the CL. Plus these younger or newer players with a few trophy wins its just the beginning, the Havertz, James, Mounts, Chilwells, Gilmours, Pulisics, Werners etc if they get a taste for winning the big trophies, it only aids their development and pushes this group on even more. Everyone in the media always says Man United need to win a trophy under Ole but this group here need it. 100%. Thats why not winning the FA cup or Super Cup last season was huge. It was the same with City winning that FA Cup and then their first PL then Pellegrini came in and then Pep but they’ve never really stopped winning in the last 10 years. This group has been refreshed and need the taste for it. I still refuse to believe we’ve sacked the season off for 2 cup finals or underestimated anyone.... That starting 11 was more than good enough to beat Arsenal and probably compete v most teams we play. He said he wasn’t happy and what not but that team was good enough to win and with the chances we had still should have won. Why does the contract length matter? Or no CL for that matter if it comes to it? Look at what no CL did for Antonio Conte in his first season. We aren’t going to sack someone who got us from 8/9th to in the running for the top 4 as well as 2 cup finals. Not only that but showing obvious huge signs of improvement, who wants to be a title contender next season. Plus he has an option for an additional year on his deal. And there were rumours that the the club apparently want to discuss new terms with him prior to the Madrid second leg. So aye, one loss v Arsenal wont change that.

I think he maybe gets to start aye. Would make sense. I don’t think hes shown any bad signs under Tuchel and playing in a cup final would boost his morale considerably I think in what will be his last season here I would think.

Eh what? What do you mean? Team selection? Approach to the game? This makes no sense either way. If its team selection, arguably 7 of the guys who started tonight would be in with a shout of starting the cup finals so quite honestly, your talking nonsense if you mean the starting 11. From tonight: James, Chilwell, Azpi, Thiago Silva, Mount, Jorginho, then one of Havertz/Pulisic, who have all been prominent with Tuchel. Performance we didnt exactly sit off them for 90 minutes or let them have the ball either. So what do you mean took them too lightly? Lets be honest either way, people remember cup and trophy wins more than finishing 4th in the PL regardless also so if he had prioritised the weekend then fine but would severely disagree that he’s prioritised it on the basis of that starting 11 tonight. Some changes yes but necessary because we have played every 3 days for god knows how long now and also have 4 other games in 2 weeks. Also lets forget the whole reaction last season when we limped to top 4 on the last day as if it was a major achievement despite having a 12 point gap and sitting 3rd for a period months back. The overreaction is huge. If we win both cup finals and don’t get top 4 nobody will give a fuck. If we get top 4 and dont win the cup finals people will care more about the cup finals.

No but when you dont take your chances you always increase the risk of losing a game/dropping points. I get people are frustrated and angry with the results but we had 2/3 big chances that could of made the game 2/3-1 then nobody would be saying anything about Jorginho...

6 points v Leicester and Villa? Wouldn’t start panicking we should be favourites and more than capable of beating both. Plus I have a feeling United will probably end up extending their unbeaten run tomorrow, a Utd win would be great but even a draw makes it harder for Liverpool. We will see tomorrow I suppose. The level has to go up again but as someone said look at the reaction after the WBA game, which was a lot worse than tonight performance wise. Plus 2 big finals as well we have to treat these last 4 games all as finals. As we should of been anyway after beating City because we have everything to play for.

Jesus that Arsenal defensive performance was well utter madness. They almost got as lucky as some of our shit in the 2012 CL run also. I mean that hitting the bar twice thing was comical. I mean bar the lack of creativity we have utterly dominated them there in every other aspect of the game and whilst thats not always enough, how the fuck we haven’t scored some of those chances, not got a clue, mental. Although our creativity wasn’t great either. Season isn’t done yet though and this game isn’t as big as the Leicester one still. Even more so now. Plus see what happens tomorrow night with Liverpool-United, Ole has a decent record getting draws w Klopp despite being an absolutely average manager so who knows. If we lose v Leicester I would start worrying about the season going up in smoke.

You know your offensive players have been bad when Zouma is shooting outside the box, regularly. Also Reece and Masons delivery from set plays tonight has been fucking abysmal every time.

And if Havertz scored his chance or Pulisic? Or Zouma? Or Giroud there? Goals win games, we havent created enough second half and the reaction would be different otherwise. Mount, Pulisic, Havertz, CHO, Giroud have all been worse.

Pulisic man.... Giroud does fantastic there. Fucking hell. CHO maybe take a bit more care on the cross also. Either way seasons not finished it will all work out.

Well you’ve certainly changed your tune. Maybe you’ll be happy then. Seeing the same level of “desperate clueless shite” here than what it was under Frank (your words). You wanted to see the club give Frank to the end of the season you had said so yourself so maybe you got your wish 🤪

Would be hugely harsh to say that. West Brom was a shit show from start to finish. Defence, midfield and attack, narrowing it down to one person would he incredibly daft. Even tonight, aye he’s basically gifted them their goal but at the same time theres 11 out there and the attackers have been the most disappointing players for me. No genuine input tonight second half and guiltily of missing big chances first half.

Is it time to maybe put Werner on?

Giroud on. 25 minutes. Get us a goal big man we need one 😂

Nvm fucksake. 😂