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Even before Lampard though people said the same under Sarri re Rudiger and Christensen (particularly Andreas). It just shows though, someone who is able to restore the confidence of someone and coach them in a way Frank couldn’t was all the difference. Theres also no doubt some of Christensen’s games under Sarri, as little as they were compared to what people might think, weren’t always as bad as mentioned. Some were but some weren’t, playing such a key position, such as CB and not playing regularly is always going to be a struggle.

Tbf the last 18 months before Tuchel came in people were glad we were letting Rudiger and Christensens contracts run down as they “weren’t good enough” 😂

Wow. This would turn out to be pretty incredible but still think as much as we all want these moves/the cash to come in for players who dont play often, it would be unlikely all 3 go in the same windows never mins to the same team. Re Kepa, don’t Lazio not already have Thomas Strakosha, who is a pretty decent GK and Pepe Reina, who worked with Sarri at Napoli?

I think trying to get a CF in - regardless of who it is/was going to be ie Haaland, Lukaku, Kane etc - was always going to take longer than the one day the transfer markets officially been open for though so to say “it looks like we are fucking around” already regarding a price is extremely premature. If we don’t get a CF, aye you’d think we would strengthen other areas but I can’t see attacking midfielders/wingers being extremely high up that list or Ziyech being sold after only a season either. Right wingback, centre back and central midfield are more interesting and areas which we could do with something else in be it depth/competition or improvements.

United just had a bid rejected for not meeting their asking price. Wouldn’t say its as its a matter of days yet. Plus I would say its safe to say we aren’t that particularly interested in Sancho or we would also be in talks for him, would you not say?

Was a good tournament he had then for Uruguay but having seen him play for both Milan and Celtic at two totally different standards of football, I dont think he was ever that bad or that, but at the same time, I just don’t think he was particularly ever that good. Probably just a good WC making him look better, much like Alexsandr Golovin also. Not the best player, not the worst but steady enough for certain clubs.

Not really. I don’t get why he would leave now. He’s achieved everything in club football domestically in Spain and on the continent ie CL, Super Cup as well as the Club World Cup so he’s not exactly missing out on anything. Maybe last summer there was that uncertainty but huge changes were made at board level. I mean I couldn’t see him coming to the PL or think he would even be remotely interested at all. He’s also the highest paid player in the world, at the club who brought him through, where he’s immersed within the history of the club for the last near 20 years. Nothing stupid about seeing his career out there. And its not like he needs to prove himself by playing in another league regardless or to make people think he is the greatest footballer of all time. I mean Ronaldo’s been busy, went from Portugal, to England, to Spain, to Italy and done very well individually and as part of teams yet the majority of people still think Messi is the greatest out of the two by a considerable distance. I mean he could probably have stopped playing at what 23/24/25 and people would still say he is one of the best of all time if not the best.

🤣 I can make posts shorter, sometimes

😂 the forum is for having a discussion is it not…

🤣 half trophy, wonder if he got half a medal to go with it still was a crazy call by Spurs

Your laughing but I am being serious haha. I mean regardless of what people see in him or like him or not, saying we will sell him? Really? Thats almost as daft as saying we are now going to sell Antonio Rudiger or Azpilicueta, who alongside Jorginho were instantly restored to the starting 11 and became key members/ever presents in the team with Tuchel…. Aye, for sure he has physical limitations, don’t get me wrong but he definitely does give his everything. Same for Azpi, who I think is one of those guys who gets the “he’s finished” judgement every bad season. I think as well Jorginho is extremely vocal and has good leadership skills when he plays too. I mean he was made vice captain by Frank, think months before he was boo’d against Malmo by our fans..

I also think, similarly with Callum under Sarri, his best games probably came in the Europa League too.

I get he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but I still think if he went to City all those years ago everyone would be saying “wow why didn’t we sign him” Folk criticising him after a CL win where he was pretty disciplined even in the second half where City were on top of us and barely put a foot wrong is also ironic/moronic and then there are the members who cant make their minds up…. one week they think he should stay the second week they think he should go! I mean if people could point out that our best football in the last 3 seasons hasn’t involved him I’d get their point but unfortunately for them, he has played regularly when we have played our best football in the past 3 seasons.

Maybe so but there is also no way that it is correct that Marlang Sang is on 120k per week and Baba Rahmann is on near 95k per week 😂 theres a few on there that are very questionable, which is why these sites are always dubious to trust. I would say 60% of those salaries are probably correct or in the ball park but the likes of Werner, Havertz, Zouma and Kante are off. Then those 2 mentioned above as well cannot be right. Throw in Tomori, who signed a new deal last season and got a payrise similarly to what Reece James and Mason Mount did plus Ruben Loftis-Cheek signed a 5 year deal on a wage of apparently over 100k (which is why we were paying more than half his wages apparently this season when he was at Fulham) at the beginning when Frank came in too.

I find it ironic but its no surprise certain people just don’t see his value, like with Mount also. I get maybe getting another CM in but selling Jorginho is daft all things considering.

Costa had his head turned by a Chinese club midway in Conte’s first season who were prepared to offer him 620k a week or something daft to go there and he dropped him against Leicester IIRC that season after this. Costa had also wanted to go to Atletico after the 2015/16 season with Jose and Hiddink but stayed and played for Conte after Conte and the club refused to sell him. To say Conte pushed him out, realistically would be incorrect. Costa made it very easy for Conte to push him out, he clearly didn’t want to be there, he effectively wanted to go hut wasn’t allowed. Just read this interview he did where he said he wanted to go to Atletico prior to starting the 16/17 season. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11668/10810337/diego-costa-admits-he-wanted-to-leave-Chelsea-for-atletico-madrid

If he felt so personally attacked then Oli’s probably right or got a basis for it. Otherwise why would he feel its about him 😂?

Yeah its tough to judge. They may be accurate for some but some of those are also laughable. I mean Werner was reported on 275k or 200k depending which source you trust when we signed him. There was also a lot of talk Havertz was on huge money also (reportedly 310k according to Marca but I doubt its this high), then Kante reportedly on 290/300k when he renewed few seasons ago and will be getting a new deal this summer as well apparently so they’ll increase that. Kurt Zouma will 100% be on more than 40k also for sure so I would 100% be questioning them figures. No way Chilwell is the highest paid player at the club I will bet my life on that, a left back, sorry but not a chance 😂

I think he had an agreement with them after last summer though, that he would stay another season and could go this summer because United had bid for him then but weren’t prepared to meet their price. What your saying makes sense for the player from his point of view but it also severely shafts Dortmund as they get no resale contributions at all, which is ultimately their business model if they like it or not, buy cheap, develop the player, maybe win a few trophies but then sell the player for a lot of profit. Lewandowski did this years ago for instance, going to Bayern on a free, Dortmund didn’t see a penny.

I suppose if it happens I’ll hold my hands up but I do think its just the usual lazy “former Chelsea manager goes to club X and wants to sign an out of favour player” shit we see a lot. I mean we spent 2 years hearing about this with Conte wanting Emerson and Alonso and for all the rumours the links, no bids were ever made. Very much the same with Sarri wanting Jorginho at Juventus, a lot of rumours, nothing ever happened.

Haha maybe but honestly, I really still don’t buy it. May just be me being stubborn but it feels like it could be one of the typical 1 + 1 = 3 scenarios journalists use regarding transfers more commonly than not that turn out to be bullshit. Even then, the link being made, it means nothing to its done and personally I don’t see how any reasonable top/good forieg. side is taking a punt on Ruben from us on loan/full time in all honesty.

Tbf I disagree with this completely. Dortmund have always been that sort of club. They sell 2/3/4 of their best players every 2 transfer windows more or less and then just keep on churning out young players/making clever buys in their place. Its their whole business model. They can deny they are a “selling club/development club” but they have been for the best part of 7 years. This is ultimately part of what led to Tuchel’s bust up there also and him getting sacked as he was particularly unhappy regarding the sales of Hummels, Gundogan and Mkhitaryan who were 3 of his key players. Dortmund definitely didn’t sign Haaland with the aims of him staying there for like 3/4/5/6 years, they signed him for 1 or 2 seasons max, where he would be playing every week, improving, with the idea or aim to sell him for a massive profit. Sancho as well, I don’t think they anticipated him having such an impact so soon, so to get 4 seasons out of him I think hes run his course there as well 100%. But they’ll do what they do, they’ll find another few young players or a few smart signings somewhere and then, 2/3 years later, rinse and repeat.

No excuses to win all 6 trophies. Jesus you on the drink? Yes those 2 great players but to win all 6 trophies, fuck me, thats incredibly difficult and unrealistic. Never mind 6 winning 3 in a season in a near impossible feat these days. Never mind 6 🤣 I get the optimism around the club and what 2/3 excellent signings can do but wouldn’t go as far as that. I mean if theres no excuse to not win all 6 trophies you going to sit saying if we dont and Tuchel doesn’t we should sack him? Even those records, I doubt anyone is getting close to them even with Haaland and Hakimi. They are incredible records.

I still find it moronic how eager people were to see Sarri sacked within like 6/7 months here. Or how unappreciative/impatient people were with what he was trying to do because there was signs there that in our half and the middle third we were doing what he wanted but we needed more in attack. Yet Frank comes in and the word patience which has rarely ever been used here, is all of a sudden the way to go.… Nobody can argue we’d really improved in 18 months with Frank because we had spent like another 3 seasons now trying to find a good option at number 9 and make the attack more fluid, as opposed to reliant on one player. Plus the football at times with Framk was even worse in attack. Fullbacks spamming crosses in to 5 ft 7 players. I get he was stubborn with his methods and got out when the ban was in to go to Juventus but he was effectively shoved out the door more or less by the lack of backing he got. Look into what he said after the Europa League final. No surprise few weeks later he left, would of probably done so even if Juventus never came in for him. Plus maybe he never truly has the connection with the fans but ultimately it works both ways also. For example, during that period the fans booing Jorginho v Malmo is definitely one of the most embarrassing things I can remember in recent times involving us in a football game. Or our own fans jeering Sarri making subs etc instead of getting behind the team.

I mean he’s not done anything particularly interesting in his career. Its not always a fair barometer of how good a manager he is but again underwhelming spells at Porto, bit better at Braga, good spell at Shakhtar then a meh spell at Roma. It looks very middle of the road. Its more the circus of how they’ve gone from looking at 2/3 top class options to scraping the barrel for someone, who’s just been replaced by the man they sacked also 😂.