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@Fulham Broadway I saw some clips of May being made into a joke on TV No wonder her advisers won't let her debate Corbyn. Can you imagine how much he'd destroy her. Would probably end her her political career on the spot. Reckon Labour's got a chance after last night?

Then please elaborate what purpose it serves and exactly how morally different is it than videos of decapitations by ISIS? Let me reiterate my reasoning: - Both the publishing of this image and the decapitation videos are propaganda stunts. - Both are meant to 'show strength' through killing people. - Both the decapitations and that bomb kill innocent people with the full knowledge of the perpetrator. - Both revel in the violence and barbarism of killing those innocent people. - Both glorify terrorism. Sure, one is more graphic than the other but that is hardly the main moral issue anyone should have with either. Why do you see them so different other than "their terrorism is bad but ours is good"?

It'll be tremendous, believe me.

You know they don't exist in isolation, right? One of the problems with dealing with ISIS is that there are no evil-bastards-seeking bombs that will blow up the terrorists and leave the innocent children living near them intact.

Tbf, the British army does represent the UK...literally. Hezbollah does not take commands from or is held responsible by the Lebanese government. Obviously that does not mean it represents the ordinary people living in the UK...

Not the message itself but the tribal barbarism and unapologetic terrorism that it is indicative of. What is the difference between spreading war propaganda through making a Hollywood-esque production of murdering prisoners like ISIS does and writing "From Manchester with Love" and drawing a heart on a bomb that is destined to kill civilians like the RAF and British media did?

Also, @Fulham Broadway: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bomb-raf-photo-with-love-from-post-isis-a7756241.html REALLY, UK??! This level of state terror barbarism is usually only matched by Israel. Goes straight to the point we were making that the first step for a country like the UK in fighting terrorism is to stop participating in it.

@Fulham Broadway He's going to get beat by UKIP and the Libdems as well and finish in 4th, isn't he?

Almost never bodes well, especially against a top team.

I'm upset about the (first half) performance but can't be upset about the result. Arsenal deserve to win and, more than anything, we deserved to lose. And Moses deserves to be sold for that dive and overall performance...

Don't care one bit about the horrendous call in the goal. We're bloody lucky to be just 1-0 down in the opening half an hour!

Don't care how or by how many. JUT WIN!

I don't like going into cup finals as favorites...

The best response to the nonsense in the media about his send off:

Yeah, that's what I meant by 'obvious reasons' in the first line.

And very much hated by most Saudis for obvious reasons, let alone shia minorities in the country. I'm sure you've not even heard about this, but for the past couple of weeks at the very least there has basically been in a war between the armed forces and the citizens of Qatif in Saudi Arabia. There have been hundreds of arrests and injuries, tens of injuries and quite a few causalities including children. For all its oil money, KSA has one of the highest poverty rates in the Arab world. Make no mistake, one of the main reasons why the Saudi tyrant family has not been overthrown is the support and protection of American oil companies.

A lot of people from all over the spectrum tend to view terrorism issues as having A solution. But reality is inevitably much more complex. There isn't one line of action that can make this stop nor is there anything that can halt terrorist acts in the short term. People don't want to hear this, but no matter what we do now, there will be more attacks like this in Europe and certainly in the middle east. Instead, the problem needs to be tackled systematically, long-term and on various fronts. Yes, covert work to try to stop individuals before they carry out these actions is important (though, historically incredibly unsuccessful) as are background checks...etc. but ultimately they are futile unless there is a genuine desire to address the root causes of terrorism which there isn't right now because otherwise you are only treating symptoms and not causes. And there can be a lot of valid discussion about what influences terrorism more, but in the case of the UK and it's western allies, the first and most obvious step to stopping terrorism is, as Chomsky says, to stop participating in it. And I hope no one misunderstands me. This has nothing to do with the British public, but rather the successive UK governments. The most logical thing to do is to stop committing terrorism in third-world countries. The second step would be to stop spreading terrorism either by sledge-hammer approach that creates vacuums and failed states to be filled by terrorist groups or by directly arming and funding those terrorist groups to use them for geopolitical gains. And third obvious step would be to stop strengthening the core ideology of terrorist groups by arming and protecting the tyrants of KSA and Qatar and the gulf states which are the beating heart of Sunni extremism around the world and the source of its ideology: Wahabism. All this is not at all to say that terrorism can all be blamed on the west and that no one in the middle east has any responsibilities. But obviously, if we are to solve this global problem, we all need to tackle the causes that we are responsible for. Here in the middle east we need, first of all, to change our oppressive governments and regimes that breed extremism, we need to root out and stop the funding the radical clerks who spread those ideas, we need to stop using sectarianism to score cheap political points and we need religious leaders to more vehemently disavow those interpretations of Islam. Once we all take those obvious starting steps then we can seriously discuss what else needs to be done and where the priorities lie. But at the moment, there is no genuine clear will to eradicate the causes of terrorism, neither here nor in the west.

Been shocked to the core since reading the news yesterday morning. This was so barbaric and senseless and random and pointless. Particularly that the victims were mostly kids trying to have a good time. I couldn't help but cry when reading about that innocent 8-year-old and what her teacher had to say about her. It's just beyond evil. I am genuinely not saying this to disagree with manpe and Spike about how foreigners vs Englishmen must feel about this, and I certainly am not claiming that I am nearly as emotionally affected by this as anyone in Manchester. But maybe it's because I'm from somewhere where these kind of atrocities have happened (too) many times in my lifetime. I know what it's like. I know the feelings of shock and in ability to move and think when you hear the bang. I know the desperation when you scramble to call all your friends and loved ones to make sure they are okay, only to find that the lines are down because everyone else is scrambling to do the same. And I know the utter and sheer helplessness you feel when you sit in front of the TV watching the tragedy unfold. My heart goes out to, not only the families and friends of all the victims and wounded, but for everyone in Manchester. I feel for them, deeply.

Record 30 wins in a premiere league season!

@Johnnyeye HULL SCORE!!

And now Gabriel being stretchered off for Arsenal just after Coutinho scores the goal that confirms they'll be playing in the EL next season. This really isn't Arsenal's day....

Just saw the challenge. There's no way they will appeal. The most obvious red card you'll ever see. Horrible career-ending tackle.

I AM! LIKE A BABY!!

Think Lloris gets it on goals conceded. Not 100% sure, though.

Koscielny sent off. Will miss FA cup final.