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Wages must also be taken into account. Shame we don't know how much the club wasted on him on a weekly basis. Then there is agent fees, who knows how much the club lost on this fella.

No. I'm the reincarnation of Cafu.

Where is my recognition? I want to be a part of the circle jerk of Baba believers. W-we did it guys! We made a 50/50 prediction of good faith.

He has been for most of his career.

Literally two pages back dumby.

Suuure,I said he needed time also...

It's a truly soccer/football inclusive phenomenon where the supporters will be enraged/angered/belligerent against the manager. From what I've witnessed in other sports people really don't care about the manager as much as a football fan does.

Give yourself another pat on the back then.

I'm not saying that isn't true but what clubs are interested? What clubs do need him? I don't think any do and that is why he won't be sold. If clubs were interested in him, they would bid regardless of transfer listing. As I said earlier, he doesn't' fulfill a need so no club wants him, regardless of transfer listing, most smart clubs don't buy players just because, maybe PSG. City, Real, Barca et al aren't going to buy him, they don't need him. He isn't going to be transfer-listed so that is a pointless hypothetical.

I wished he dived less.

I think most people were saying that... I dont' recall too many over the top haters.

Exactly. Right now, he isn't worth it for any club. He doesn't improve them with his current form, hence the reason he won't be sold in January. Summer is a clean slate, clubs are more likely to make moves for players like Fabregas. He is a big commitment; a huge player to transfer in. He expects huge wages, CL qualification and the whole 9 yards but his current form just isn't justifying of that. He might go in Summer but not January. If he does go in January I'll be very surprised and put my hands up that I was wrong. I'm big enough to admit when I am wrong Mata was sold when he was playing terribly (much like Fabregas is now), but the difference is that he fulfilled a need for Manchester United and wasn't starting for Chelsea. Fabregas is a starter and doesn't fufill any needs for top clubs.

Then why is the club selling a top tier player? That seems counter-intuitive for you to be calling him a top tier player when you are so critical of him. I think you are over simplifying things. Clubs aren't so reactionary to simply buy a player because they are available. They are so many factors that come into play: costs, wages, squad registration, Champions League qualification, the manager's approach to the game, the club's needs, what areas need to be prioritised, etc. I'm sure managers, staff and the coaches know what their team's weaknesses is. I just don't see any top club needing a creative midfielder in January. I just don't believe any club would just buy him because he is available. If they don't need him, they aren't going to bother, it is a waste of resources. PSG could be a destination in Summer transfer window but they'd have to shed some of their current midfield. I can see him sold in Summer but not in January. The players you listed earlier: Schurrle and De Bruyne. They were sold to a relatively 'smaller' club. With a lower transfer fee and a wages, also they don't have the 'top tier' pedigree that Fabregas has and the demands that come along with it. They also fufilled a need that their new clubs needed.

Are you illiterate or just ignorant? I said earlier that the club can buy a midfielder without selling Fabregas. Of course the club can sell Fabregas, I'm just stating it is a lot harder than you are making it out to be. There needs to be a club that wants him to fufill a need and I don't think there is a club that wants him or can afford him in this juncture of time. Maybe in the future he can be sold but he won't be in this January transfer window (which I is what I've been referring and stating this whole entire time). You given me two examples and I given you two observations why he won't be sold to those clubs in the near future. I will reiterate Manchester United - They have a lot of midfielders already. They don't have any issues with their midfield. They don't need to spend a lot of money fixing something they don't have an issue with. Monaco - They don't spend big anymore. They won't buy a player anymore with hugs wages, it is why they are trying to get rid of Falcao. Besides, if Fabregas is a player that wants to win trophies Monaco isn't the club. Monaco may want Fabregas but he probably doesn't want them. Do you understand? I have never said that Fabregas can't be sold (you put that in my mouth), I've stated that no club needs him right now or would be willing to buy an expensive luxury player in January. I have not stated that in the future he won't be sold. It isn't hard to grasp.

I never said that Fabregas isn't rubbish right now. Don't put words in my mouth. Why would Manchester United buy him? They don't need Fabregas in the slightest. Why would Fabregas agree to joining Monaco, he seems much more ambitious that to just join Moncaco. Besides, saying Monaco would buy is crazy, they have been much more stringet with the transfer in the last two seasons. In fact, I'd say that Monaco is a selling club. This isn't Football Manager where players magically leave when transfer listed.

I haven't seen the other three players enough to comment but I think Gotze is rubbish. Talented no doubt but not the player that people think he is; I don't believe Gotze is the player to revitalise this club. In saying that, I wouldn't say no to any of those players joining I just don't believe it is necessary for Fabregas to leave to accommodate them. Nobody needs Fabregas, those clubs aren't going to waste a fortune on a player that is out of form and is a luxury signing, especially in January. I really don't think PSG would, I don't see them as trigger happy with the funds as they were a couple of years back. They just hocked off several midfielders, including Cabaye.

I think it was different at Barcelona. He was always good there but he was a square shape in a round hole. He never really clicked with the manager's approach. To passive, Cesc is a much more aggressive player than people realise due to his time in England. He would smash forward and leave holes in the midfield, he would score goals and assists but would leave it open to counter attack. Maybe what the club needs is it's own version of Vidal and Marchisio to give the midfield a platform to give creative license to whatever player. I don't know who those players could be but I know it isn't Ramires and Mikel. I take it you have a soft spot for Inter?

Who are they then? What clubs can afford Fabregas (which would want him)? And what available (and how do you know they are available?) attacking midfielders will genuinely bring new assets to the team? I'm not the one making these claims, back them up. PSG don't need him. Real don't. Barca don't. Bayern don't. Man Utd don't. Man City don't Arsenal don't. Juve don't. Liverpool don't. He is an expensive tranfer with very high wages. Not only are most of those clubs stacked in the central midfield but I don't they would want to pay at this moment in time an exorbitant fee for a player that is under the weather. It just isn't realistic for these teams to go out of their way for Fabregas.

Who is 'we'? I don't want Fabregas sold, I just said that. Isco isn't coming, deal with it. He has a broken ankle (who knows how long that will keep him out) and starts for Real Madrid, he has it all there and would only be regressing his career at Chelsea. The club doesn't need to sell Fabregas to buy whatever fantasy signing you want. Who is buying Fabregas? Who is available for Chelsea? EDIT: Both of Isco's ankles are broken.

We don't have fucking Isco and the club isn't going to get Isco, he has nothing to do with any of this.

The people that desperately want him gone need a reality check. He has been one of the most veteran awarded midfielders of the last decade, he has played over 600 official matches since 2003. He is in the upper echelon of talented midfielders in the world. He is literally going through the first blip and negative bump of his career. He has suffered through injuries but they have never truly slowed him down, he has never relied on his physicality like players like Torres and Shevchenko. He plays with intelligence and it is only a matter of time before his form is regained. Nothing can steal his intelligence away from him. Selling a truly marvelous players after a run of bad form is one of the stupidest decisions this club could make. Do people forget that even players like Andrea Pirlo were dismissed at one point in his career. In the last two seasons at AC Milan Pirlo was a forgotten man, no one appreciated him and the media and footballing world weren't circle jerking over him like they are today. All it took was a revitalised season at Juventus for everyone to remember how damn good Pirlo is. I will wager the same will happen to Fabregas. People have forgotten what he is capable of, but they will remember once he starts doing it again.

He has actually been manager of 60%.

So in other words you can't prove a single thing? Okay, you talk big but have nothing to show for it. If it is so easy post it. It isn't about spoon feeding it is about backing yourself up, which you have failed to do. Why are you so defensive? I just want a source. This isn't personal.

Yet, I've seen none of these reports as you've failed to show them. No, I did not say they were 'lies' nor do I know the 'truth' please do not put words in my mouth. I just don't take your word for it as you aren't the authority and I would like some sources that actually back what you state up, which you have failed to do consistently. I will believe it when a credible article with direct quotes is shown to me. I'm not going to do your research for you. Show me proof.