didierforever

what a player... if he continues playing like this and getting better match after match, i dont know where he ll stop and how great he ll end up being.

this is the week that can make our CL qualifications very very easy. i have no doubt that FSW will put in a strong team considering he rested hazard,oscar,mikel in the last match. cech azpi iva luiz bert mikel rambo oscar mata hazard ba. but these wont be the only chelsea players that we should be cheering this weekend. LUKAKU is going to be very pivotal with arsenal playing away to wba. hope for him to get a hatrick. plus with bale and lennon injured and tot playing everton, we could have a field day.

credit where its due... really good performance. the best performance in a blue shirt. i seriously cant think of a game where he played better than today for chelsea. won a lot of headers, held up the play well, took players on and most importantly took shots from outside the box. still shit though...

oscar without mata and hazard seems to be like a fish out of water. instead of a link up player, he plays the role of a 2nd striker. 2 times we have tried that, and it has gone real bad (qpr at home and southampton last week).

BRILLIANT PERFORMANCE... what a game... and what a run that was. keep it up...

thats very harsh. i mean y cant a team like cech iva luiz JT pf ake lamps moses yossi marin torres do the job. the main point is resting MAZACAR, rambo+mikel and our full backs(azpi and bert).

highlight of the night BALE INJURED. :blue scalf: :blue scalf: :blue scalf: :blue scalf: :yay: :yay: :dance: :dance:

u still have a problem understanding one simple sentence. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. in my first post did i say mikel "deserved" the god like status??? for the last time NNNNOOOOOO. he performed well and should have been praised rather than being mocked by the supporters of his own club. but if some1 like lamps/luiz had put such a performance in the mid, people would have made a great fuss. HENCE THE HYPOCRISY. how could u not understand something so simple. its been more than a day since we have been arguing over one sentence i wrote and i am sure u for some reason are so totlly obsessed with it that u have read that statement more no. of times than every1 combined on this forum. (also before u jump down my throat, i would like to say that i love lamps with all my heart but i was angry at the posts in this thread so please dont come after me saying u hate lamps) without foundation??? seriously... have u read what people write about mikel here. kojo, only place to be , backstreet09 and these are just a drop in the ocean of mikel detractors. so NO again. i dint call them hypocrites without foundation because when there fav players has a good match, they have a field day. also i must tell u that my first post was not meant for u ALONE. i never said "godzola" is a hypocrite and does this or that. it was a general statement and because of your obsessiveness (again) i have had to take names of members which i really really dint want to do. bertand, kalou, meireles - none of these players are/were more than chelsea squad players. we can debate on kalou but the point is his performances were so poor sometimes that he could never really cement his place in the 1st team. could he? mikel is one of our main players and u cant deny it whether u love him or hate him. he has his off days like any player (and way more than we would want from one of our starters). torres bashing is "justified" because of his passion, fight, performance and every bloody thing. as far as iva is concerned, just consider a scenario on which luiz gave away those 2 goals against swansea. imagine the uproar and the ridicule he might have faced and compared to it iva had nothing. people are pin pointing him out because that guy used to be a BEAST but has consistently been performing horrendous since the end of last season. be it getting booked, leaking goals, etc. so u cant compare that to mikel who has one bad game after a couple or more good/decent ones. so for me no one gets as much unfair criticism than mikel on this forum. dude when did i ever compare mikel to MAKELELE or with ESSIEN. i admitted mikel is way off the best of the cdms and even some1 like busquets. i admitted mikel has his shortcomings big time. did i ever say mikel is our future and we dont need to buy a cdm this summer. y r u taking things out of contexts.u r making it sound like i said their would probably be no cdm better than mikel ever. u dont need to tell me or any other person about mikel's shortcomings and where he exactly stands in the grand scheme of things.but the point is right now till may do we have a better option in deep mid than mikel. the answer is NO. so what should we do? cry like liverpool fans about their glory days and awesome players or give ourselves a chance to redeem this season in any way possible by playing to our strengths. i think every chelsea fan's answer would be the same. did i reference YOU as a hypocrite? the statement was made generally. if u take every comment this personally on a public forum, u r in for some serious shit. the statement was never meant for u and so it confused and perplexed me as to y u wanted to be so involved. as for the "understand football" is concerned, i dint know it would be such a hot button topic with u.please dont compare what happens in lamps' threads to what is written in this thread. in lamps' thread people actually debate over the good and bad of any situation. in this thread people's blind hate stops them from giving mikel the credit he is due just 10 minutes after the match. the ridicule, the absolute lack of respect to him and some of the posters' blantant posts does not make mikel thread a very suitable place for a decent debate. like ours.

this is a post from HUTCHO on the previous page"Mikel is the only player who is considered one of the greatest dm's by some and terrible by others. I am not too sure he is a bit too inconsistent, but is very dependant on the man next to him. His all round game isn't as good as we would like as that would benefit our pivot much more. And if he was to play next to a proper deep lying playmaker which none of lampy Rambo or luiz are, then we may see a different mikel. I do think he should stop shooting lol." this is a post from skipper from the previous page "Fixed for you. I'm in the pro-Mikel camp but Mikel's overall performances aren't that consistent IMO - regardless, I still think he's a key player in our squad. If he's surrounded by the right players Mikel is excellent. If not then he struggles." as far as i understand it, these guys are saying the same exact thing that i said "mikel is some1 who plays well when in the right system and with the right players".different from what i said a couple of posts ago " "someone who thrives more on the team's performance than any1 else in this squad". so as i see it its not my arrogance thats making me say "understand football" but your absolute stupidity, your mind fucking and asenine naivety about the role of one of our most important and integral member of the squad that made me say it (see u r not the only bloody fucking asshole who can abuse instead of having a civilized debate). also i dont see any1 else having as big a problem with me as u do, who instead of debating on what actually is relevant wants to take me down on the usage of "god like status" and the word "hypocrite" in one of my post while neglecting every thing else. for eg - this is an exchange between me and english freak which ended in 4 posts because luckily he was not too obsessive with my exact usage of any 1 particular word or my english or my grammar. didierforever i was stating the obvious. do u think busquets is some1 who can win barca champions league single handedly. NO. yet he is a very efficient cog in the barca wheel. does he have 10 assits or 5 goals in the season, i dont think so, yet every1 knows how important his defensive positioning and even his 6 yard passes to xavi and iniesta are. saying mikel thrives on the players around him is not an insult to him and u need to understand football better for it. not every1 in the team can be a matchwinner, some1 has to do the dirty work and for us the best option is mikel. he might not be the best in the world by some fair distance but he is not as bad and he definitely does not deserve the ridicule he is getting from his own fans. englishfreak Yes, someone has to do the dirty work in midfield..but the issue with Mikel has ALWAYS been consistency.He puts in a good performance against United...then goes missing against mid-table clubs...Busquets isn't a matchwinner for Barcelona but he's a consistent player. didierforever i know. and thus i said he is "for us the best option is mikel" and " he might not be the best in the world by some fair distance but he is not as bad and he definitely does not deserve the ridicule he is getting from his own fans."i am under no illusion about mikel's consistency. its the extreme hatred and some of the absolute anti-mikel comments that bother me. englishfreak I reckon bringing in another DM is the best option for Chelsea and Mikel.That way, we'll have another option for the midfield (it'll keep the players fresh) and the new DM will be able to challenge Mikel for his first team place. so its not very suprising to see who cant have a decent debate or who might be fucking 10, wait... 6 years old or who might be on a wind up...

@BlueLyon - passionate and posts straight from his heart, irrespective of the band wagon. like his posts

probably. but it would also end mceachran and romeu's chelsea career for sure.

i know. and thus i said he is "for us the best option is mikel" and " he might not be the best in the world by some fair distance but he is not as bad and he definitely does not deserve the ridicule he is getting from his own fans." i am under no illusion about mikel's consistency. its the extreme hatred and some of the absolute anti-mikel comments that bother me.

kalou was a "winger"??? i thought the most essential thing about being a winger is the ability to go past a defender and cross and well kalou... anyways i compare him to kalou because of his brain short circuiting in the D.

u actually have a problem understanding that statament... UNBELIEVABLE. btw y did u stop the quoting at "are"... i ll tell u what i said next. it was "give him a respite for a game". u think thats a call to give a god like status??? (by the way try again to decode the hidden meaning in the statement, its not that difficult). few posts??? tell me a player who got half as much stick as mikel. i was stating the obvious. do u think busquets is some1 who can win barca champions league single handedly. NO. yet he is a very efficient cog in the barca wheel. does he have 10 assits or 5 goals in the season, i dont think so, yet every1 knows how important his defensive positioning and even his 6 yard passes to xavi and iniesta are. saying mikel thrives on the players around him is not an insult to him and u need to understand football better for it. not every1 in the team can be a matchwinner, some1 has to do the dirty work and for us the best option is mikel. he might not be the best in the world by some fair distance but he is not as bad and he definitely does not deserve the ridicule he is getting from his own fans.

people compare him with kalou because of their similarity in fluffing clear chances and making a mess out of a good situation.i do it too. and dont mean it as an insult though. kalou was a good squad player atleast for me. anyways take these as a joke. because when moses gets back into his pre-afcon form, these anti-moses people will be absent for a long time.

there is a reason i say i stay away from this thread and that is because i know what goes on here. do i need to tell u how many and exactly who all would like to throttle mikel on sight. so dont presume i dont know what people post. plus i gave my comment after reading what people had to say about mikel today, so u make absolutely no sense. please enlighten me as to where exactly in my previous post did i give mikel "god like status"... seems u have got a problem reading and understanding things. mikel is a player with a lot of limitations and constraints, be his passing range, his forward play. but when u have only one functional DM in the squad u expect things to be tweaked according to his benefit so that his performance can be enhanced. judging mikel on the soton performance is "ridiculous" because the whole team was piss poor and it was no suprise that so was mikel (someone who thrives more on the team's performance than any1 else in this squad). (by the way if this post does not tell u that i m not a mikel fan then nothin ever will. he is a chelsea player and thus i support him. praise him when he does good and hope for a better showing if he does not and ridicule him if he shows no interest, passion for a long period of time). if u saw mikel further up probably u even noticed iva and luiz in the box during corners and set pieces, does that make them strikers. dont give stupid arguments. if we are dominating possessions with united pinged back into their boxes, where do u expect mikel to be? or do u think the only job of the cdm is to contribute defensively irrespective of the play going on...

but even that attribute is very shady in him. i mean look at what he did today. got into the box. turned the center back, but dint take the shot. i mean when sturridge played as a winger, his shooting and striker quality showed. but moses is somewhere in between.

THIS!!!

i dont think he is playing badly. he does everything perfectly until he reaches the opposition box, infact he can take a run from our box to the opposition box, dribbling past 5-6 players but when he reaches there, its as if his brain gets short circuited. he decision making in the box is probably 2nd to only gervinho that i know of (even kalou's was better). thats probably the reason for all the hatred.

2 matches and 2 very very different performances for me. but now he can get a real run out and we can see what he is actually capable of.

find a damn post where I have given mikel "a god like status"... normally i totally stay away from the mikel thread due to its absolute ridiculousness but the amount of crap written about mikel over the past 2 matches made me comment. if u dont believe it, have a long read of this thread. so I AM NO HYPOCRITE. so by your account i am to believe that team compostion would and should have no affect on a player's performance. when mikel plays with lamps he is the aggressor (in a sort of way), as seen in the southampton match when mikel tried pressing higher up the pitch but failed miserably. as compared to today when he got to play to his strong point which is being a proper shield to the back 4. people on this forum have claimed torres to be a god 2 years ago, so probably u should believe that too if u believe mikel-rambo dont play well together. so it is upto u to decide what is bullshit because i should enlighten u that this is a forum where different people with different thought processes comment on almost everythin about this club and most of those opinions are bound to be conflicting.

cech pf luiz jt bert lamps ake moses benayoun marin torres hope that we start with this team, rest every1 MAZACAR, azpi, iva, mikel-rambo for the sunderland game. with arsenal playing away to wba and everton visiting tottenham, i think the sunderland game is doubly doubly important.

WHAT A PERFORMANCE!!! good old iva... and to think people wanted to sell him...

this match just became too important for the season. no point in taking fa cup lightly now. as well we might go all out for it.

NOW THATS A GOOD PERFORMANCE. but sorry to do this but this should have been the team that should have started on saturday and have us 3rd in the league. anyways awesome performance. except for oscar (who seemed to be the lord's lost lamb today), top notch performance from every1. cech - WHAT A BRILLIANT SAVE. UNBELIEVABLE. azpi - negated the threat of cleverly superbly and later on young. iva - BEAST. this is the good old ivanovic that we remember. brilliant performance. still remember that moment when welbeck almost got behind our defense out of absolutely nothing and iva checked him perfectly with his body. MOTM for me. luiz - good game. dint do anything spectacular for once. though a couple of his change of plays to find azpi were downright delicious. bert - nice answer to all his critics. he is a left back and a good one defensively but needs to work when he gets the ball in the opposition half. mikel - what a performance. TAKE THAT HATERS. rambo - workhorse. awesome pressing and complemented brilliantly by mikel with his tackles. infact there is no point of writing how they were separately because in a pivot the 2 mids need to work together and these 2 were flawless. oscar - i dont know what in the name of hell was he doing today. hazard - in a real good moment. always looked like a threat. mata - good match but cant understand how he dint get on the scoresheet. some really horrendous decision making in the final 3rd. but what a sublime pass for the 1st goal. BA - just brilliant. held up the play superbly. kept the cbs busy for mata and hazard to work their way around. and what a great goal to score.