didierforever

u r confusing 2 issues here dude. complaining about the board and complaining about the players. i have plenty of barca fans who are as unhappy with their board as they were with cesc. not buying a wc CB was a decision by the board. a highly and mightily poor one. but given their players and squad, this barca side should still be winning the liga or qualify for SF of CL and in general playing a lot better than they have. barca buying someone ike luiz would have made them world beaters again, but even sans luiz or with just the current crop of CBs, they are still one of the best squads in the world. a squad that has under-performed massively. and one of the most important reasons for the under-performance is cesc. THAT's what i am saying. like i said in the previous post, watch the 90 minutes against elche to know how much they have regressed. and thats why i dont think its either laughable or being spoilt on their part to expect barca to win trophies with the current squad, neither massively blaming cesc.

maybe that it was just cesc's arrival that co-incided with barca's downfall or that cesc's arrival was a MASSIVE catalyst in their downfall. also dude, saying "they could have sold cesc for 40mil last year" is like saying we could have sold torres for 20/30mil and kept sturridge. those are 2 very similar things that have happened to these clubs. we trusted and put all our eggs in the torres basket while barca did the same with cesc. barca board is corrupt and what they SHOULD have done is pretty clear to every one, but here the thinking is about the fans. and it is not just about barca winning trophies that i am talking about, (forget about trebles). just watch the elche vs barcelona game at the end of the season and you will know the massive disgress in barca's general play. like i said to sheva, torres is not the sole reason to all our problems but a "pivotal" one. same goes with cesc, infact more than torres i feel. hence atleast i can understand why their fans would be so adverse to him.

barca had the same defence of puyol-pique, mach-pique. xavi is on a massive decline - agreead but that was already taken into account when they bought cesc and pinned all their hopes on him. cesc was not bought for that role. even this season they tried playing cesc in the mid but it ended up weakening them defensively rather than strengthening them in the attack. in no way am i ridiculing cesc but simply stating the fact that cesc and barca were not a good fit for each other. cesc was "pivotal" to their downfall just like torres has been to ours. losing imporatant players (alcantara, sturridge), change of style to suit them etc etc... it has been a very similar course of events. also lets not exaggerate messi's injuries. messi played 3740 minutes for barca this season and 4078 minutes in the last season. cesc barely played 8 more minutes than him this season (3748 minutes) and 3240 minutes in the last one. so messi still played a MASSIVE and a MAJOR part despite injuries and all.

and that is why it is important that united get that europa league spot due to the match fixing scandal in turkey or somewhere. a united team with van gaal plus 200mil of transfer budget worth of players (though dont see which WC players they can buy to make a mighty big impact than the ones they already have) plus only PL to concentrate on is a recipe for disaster.

thats not fair to the barca fans, to be honest. they are absolutely right in saying cesc was a "cancer" to barca. barca were in cruise control. their tiki- taka with the 4-3-3 was demolishing every thing in sight. then comes along cesc. in a few matches itself it was pretty evident that cesc was a mis-fit for their style of play in mid. they tried him instead of xavi, it failed. they shifted iniesta on the wing and put cesc in the mid, it failed. pep changed a whole system simply to accomodate cesc. from a stable and established 4-3-3 they went to 3 at the beack (even against us in the 2nd leg, they were 3 at the back). next season, to accomodate cesc alcantar does not get the required time to play, which in short leads to him being sold while keeping cesc. the player who was supposed to be their heart and sould for the next foreseeable fufte, instead turned out to be their biggest downfall. he was a direct replacement for xavi but the most ideal and perfect player for that was sold (alcantara). cesc has individually set barca 2 or 3 years back. from winning 2 CLs, 2La ligas, and 2 copa del rays in the 3 years before cesc's arrival, they have won just a la liga (courtesy of JOSE and RM's bickering) and a copa del ray. hence, i say that its very unfair to say that barca fans are being unfair or unreasonable or acting like a spoilt bunch.

the link? he seems to have given a response to costa, rambo, cesc,. cant find the link!!!

a 2nd striker will have a VERY major role to play!!! look at dzeko, he was the 3rd striker and probably the reason why city won the league. mandzukic would be a 100 times better option than aubamayeng. and money should not be an issue now be it 6mil or 15 mil (for mario).

precisely. u can have paulinho, khedira and song in the squad for the 3rd CM postition behind matic and cesc and all 3 of them combined dont give us as much versatility as rambo gives. would be absolutely insane letting him go!!! also, lets not blame roman for this (about your 2nd post). its the fans who want a "perfect squad" of all players who can merrily pass the ball around without having someone who can do the dirty work despite seeing arsenal for the last 9 years. so lets blame the fans themselves!!!

damn!!! i should change mine too to germany!!!

but song will be our 5th DM. no point in buying a 5th DM when his job can easily be done by someone like chalobah (who also counts as HG or u-21)

who do we replace him with? their are very very few CMs in the world as versatile as rambo. also remember, without matic, who would not be playing all the games, rambo's role becomes even more important!!!

when did your nationality become german!!!!

any NEWS?

'I think he will be at Chelsea, I don't know, the summer is a long summer. we want to bring in a striker but Fernando and Demba have contracts and I'm happy with that. It's no problem for me if they stay at the club as long as they are happy.' so chill!!!! i mean he also said that mata anad luiz were not going anywhere!!!

link? wtf? fake!!!

one of the better players on the pitch for spain... his runs are very good. which is not much shocking. his first touches looked very off today which i would have said were brilliant off what i saw off him in ATM. involved in almost everything good for spain...

please, for the love of football, please stop playing football!!!! please...

always the same story with him. somehow its never his "mistake". letting a striker run ahead of him, not a mistake. the point is, he can put in a 10/10 performance for 90 odd minutes but one or 2 seconds can undo him. i would obviously rather take a 7/10 performance in which the defender makes 1 interceptions rather than DL's 4 or 5, but he can hold the striker well wnough to let the defence and mid come back (GC in a nutshell). should not be saying this but "glad" we wont be having the same argument with the same people every other week.

spceially considering that city are in a worse situation than ours concerning HG players!!! a squad signing would have been perfect rather they buy sagna.

it led to a goal in the WC opener. it dint end up costing brazil so u can say not a big mistake. but at the end of the day, it was a mistake, one which our manager simply thinks does overshadow his various other qualities.

dont think so. there was a thread where this HG discussion took place and the only HG players available to us then were JT, GC, lukaku, pva, blackman with under 21s like zouma, the 5th DM spot (chalobah), 4th CB spot (ake), 6th AM spot

yes he was their best defender, but that is what the problem with luiz is. even when he is the best defender, their is a massive mistake involved leading to a goal!!!

stop making idiotic statements specially when it does not concern u! and i ll stop "insulting"!!! if u think i was bashing oscar last night, i am sorry but its you who needs to learn to read!!!! go back, get a dictionary and read it again!!!

what do you think??