We can blame the manager, but we have to face the facts, our team is not good enough. Most of our players are simply not good enough or just too old. Raul and Ramires were bad tonight just bad. Drogba was poor as well, how many touches did he have? We can sack AVB, and most of you on this forum will be happy, lets bring a manager who can get the best out of the players, but this will last for a couple of months or a season... these players are just too old and/or not good enough. Like the last couple of seasons.. the contrast between our double winning season to the next, you wouldn't think we were the same team. Carlo got sacked, and now AVB is in charge and we're not playing better (maybe worse but i think that's down to the new type of football we're trying to play) When are we going to give a manager more than a season or two? We need to stop thinking about the 'short term' instead think about the 'long term'. Also, don't get me started on our defence... i honestly think Luiz has a great future but he needs to stop making stupid mistakes.