Tomo

Got it wrong the goal was much diferent than what i thought it was. Even so it wasn't THAT HUGE a mistake, the way that twat Gale went on you would think he was the first player in the history of football to lose a man its ridicolous.

Wasnt Luiz up against Agbonlahor and Petrov? If thats the case he stayed making Petrov then Agbonlahor would have scored himself no?

When you do line up and tactics to the right you can do subs. You can choose the time of the match and the situation if that makes sense. IE Didier Drogba off Florent Malouda on And you have options off leading by more than one goal in the lead draw or better always draw or worse losing losing by more than one goal. Hope that helps

Yes, same with tactics aswell.

I wonder what would have happened had Hiddink came back and we were in the same position as we are now. I could just imagine the responses "Hiddink is the same as Carlo, too stubborn to change things" "overrated by four good months in the job before, we should have got the young, hungry AVB while we had the chance" and so on.

With Ancelotti when his teams click they are a joy to watch, Stoke 7-0 was the best ive ever seen us play. But last season he did let the grass grow under his feet a bit, and why did he name lineups in the press conference? straight away gave managers the upper hand. I did want him to get this season to turn it around but he didn;t get the chance and whether he would have and whether we would have done better this season then what we are right now well i guess were never know.

Strange one are you sure you didn't change it before hand? I would strongly advice against you playing your default lineup and tactics every game, it will make opposition managers easy to counter your system and make you easy to beat.

I find this funny. Last season over half this forum were slagging Carlo off saying he is past it and fluked the double and that AVB is the man we need to guide us into a new era. Now under AVB things are not going entirely to plan Carlo is now the messiah.

As much as i wanted him to have a chance to turn it around, to say Carlo had no blame for last season's calamity is like saying West Ham and Millwall like eachother.

I wouldn't go that far just yet.

Well said, we were in a similar position last season and that expierence of clawing it back the players have WILL help us. The "mental strength" side of sport is under-rated, Tottenham and Arsenal have fell with that hurdle many times and we have profited and overhauled them and i believe we will do again. Last season when we were 5th i said we were going to finish 2nd and im saying now we will finish 3rd.

Drew 0-0 to X Rated, pleasently suprised with a clean sheet against such formidable opposition even if it is just a freindly. Me and Term both got 5 star rating's, like he said on the match thing i think that's the first time that's happened.

Its obvious shonx forgot the not But he is right tho football discusions, debates, arguments whatever should never end up slagging each other off on a personal level. for example - i don't often agree with HD123 but i have never degraded him personally.

The squad he took over from Hughes were more than capableof a top 4 finish but he failed, they gave him time now look their top with a game in hand having played all the best teams (bar Arsenal) away and with them all to come at home.

Look at what happened with Porto when he had the right players. And before you start with it's only the Portuguese league bolax if going unbeaten is so easy why was that the first time Porto have ever done it? if breaking the points record was so easy why has no other manager (including Mourinho or Bobby Robson) do the same when they were managers in that league? Infact these were the records he smashed for Porto? Now im sorry but breaking all those records in one season (records Mourinho or Bobby Robson could not even touch) is no fluke. Robson saw something special in him but i suppose we know more than the great man do we? He had the right players at Porto and look what happened, whats to say when "his" right players come in he can't do the same with us? Imagine if we sacked him and he went to another club (who were more stable) and replicated his Porto success, while we are stuck giving Malouda and co another chance under yet another new manager? just picture that.

We again go into a match against Wolves on a bad run and needing a tonic and more so a statement from AVB with his lineup. Last time (against Wolves at SB) he did so, introducing Romeu, playing Luiz and dropping Lampard and Bosingwa he is going to need to make a similar statement again and drop as many of the current underperforming "superstars" as possible. So the team. Petr Cech - picks itself, he needs competition. Sam Hutchinson - Paulo is probally nakered now and we started going to pot as soon as Bossy came on, time for some blue blood on the right hand side. David Luiz - Best player today by a country mile, he MAYBE could/should whatever have done better for the second goal but was the only player showing a real sense of urgency and commitment. Gary Cahill - Terry was not great today at-all if we can get Cahill in tommorow i say play him at Molineaux and show JT that his place is far from safe. Ashley Cole - Normally i'd say Betrand but giving 2 young fullback their full PL debut at the same time is a big ask. Oriol Romeu - I would say Mikel if he wasn't injured as Oriol needs a rest, if only Conor Clifford wasn't out on loan. Ramires - picks itself Florent Malouda - He played well against Fulham and will be fresh after not playing today.Lamps and Meireles have been below par lately. Dan Sturridge and Juan Mata - Although they were awful today who can fill in? Krasic or even better Hazard is needed to compete with them sharpish. Fernando Torres - Drogba has been starting and living off that Valencia game for far too long, Torres looked lively when he came on time to give him a start. IMHO this HAS to be the team we go to Molineux with. thoughts?

Manchester United were in a similar position squad wise to us in 2001/2002 and were 9th at this stage. We can't blame AVB he is trying to do a rebuilding job that really should have been started the second we touched down from Moscow.

We sack AVB this will happen. Hiddink will come in temporarily again, then next season the new manager will want to "aceess" our deadwood and give them another chance. Great idea.

They inherited a complete squad (bar a world class RB) AVB has inherited a broken aquad.

But on the plus side if this is true Hutchinson

Cech Ferreira Luiz Terry Cole Ramires Romeu Meireles Sturridge Drogba Mata Subs: Turnbull, Bosingwa, Hutchinson, Malouda, Kalou, Lampard, Torres Apparently

That;s his value up to £25m, great.

Sturridge could not get on the bench of a Pre Sheikh City side at 18. just saying.

Hopefully it's what we will do to whoever gets Josh on loan this January.