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And you just saying he's better does make it true!!! xD. I didn't realise it was you when I first replied and was gobsmacked about how anyone can think Oscar is even as good as Turan let alone much better but now Pizy (thanks mate) has pointed out who i'm talking to it all makes sense. I could give you all of the reasons why he's better but I get the distinct impression it would be a waste of my time because it wouldn't change your opinion because you're either deliberately trolling about the whole Oscar love-in or you're so genuinely obssessed with him in your own fan-boy way that you can't look at things to do with him impartially anyway. So either way I think i'll leave it here!

I sincerely hope you're kidding.

He's much better than Oscar currently, that's a given. He's a very good player who could take some of the creative strain off the back of Fabregas and is a proven big game player so I would be happy with him. Not as happy as I would be if we signed Reus/Bale/Isco/Pogba/Koke but if none of them are available then I guess he's our next best option. If we get him for around £25M then it would be a decent price, any higher than £35M and I would feel a bit uncomfortable.

Lol the England youth team taking after their senior counterparts in as much as they're being a pathetic group of losers.

Maybe not, but my point was that getting one of those 2 would have made this transfer a good deal for all sides. As it stands it's brilliant for Arsenal and Cech and bad for us. The club now need to make up for it by bringing in a bonafide superstar IMO.

The only way it was going to sit ok with the fans that Cech was going to Arsenal is if 1 of the following 3 happened: a - We got an exorbitant transfer fee (>£20M) b - We got a great HG player in exchange (Walcott, Ox) c - We make at least 1 fantastic World Class signing (Reus/Koke/Pogba/Messi/Bale) The club would have known this and so I believe they should have pushed harder for A or B. But, not point crying over spilled milk, it's now up to the club to fulfill C for the fans to keep us 2 steps ahead of Arsenal and the rest of the PL.

Yeah you're right, but I'd say Cech should be at least £12M compared to the £18M for De Gea considering that while De Gea's bonus was that he was young, Cech's bonus is that he's proven world class and remember it was 4 years ago too, prices have come up since then.

If De Gea was bought for £18M at the age of 20 (4 years ago) and the numbers being bandied around for him lately for Real Madrid are anywhere near true then I feel like £11M for a proven WC GK with 1 year left on his contract is a fair price. And that's my point, £11M is a fair price. We shouldn't be fair to our rivals because they aren't fair to us. Overcharge them or make sure we get something in return.

The RVP is a good comparison for my point tbh, Cech is World Class now and RVP was world class back then (albeit injury prone) and both had 1 year left on his contract. Difference here being Arsenal got £24M for RVP!!!! If we get only £11M for Cech in comparison you can see how we've been mugged off by selling so cheaply to a rival. If we squeezed even £20M out of Arsenal for Cech then i'd be a bit happier.

Not over happy with it but I respect Petr's wishes. I just wish (like other people have said) that we fought a bit harder to get an extortionate transfer fee or Walcott/Ox in exchange because we all know that if this was the other way around Arsenal would never have let him go so easily. I feel like for £11M we're being mugged off big time, selling to a rival. It seemed though that only Mourinho fought to keep him or get what we wanted in exchange but I just guess we'll have to accept it. This will be all well and good if Arsenal don't make any more great signings like this one, if they do they could become a danger in the title race. It will unbearable if they win the Community Shield with him in goal and will be even worse if they somehow managed to win the league or something. We would have no-one but ourselves to blame in that case. We've been respectful and that is good, I just hope that we don't get punished for being so because we'll look like naiive tools if we do.

If he's a replacement for Mikel leaving then it would be a good bit of business, especially seeing as he's HG and would likely cost less money to buy than we could sell Mikel for (so we'd actually make money).

Look, I know everyone loves a good bit of Torres bashing, but to not accept that he was that damn good in the 07-10 period of time is hilarious. If you'd actually watched him play during that time then you would never be saying this so all I can quote at you is stats and advise you to go and watch some PL games from that time period and see just how influential he was. (Also note that he did all this playing for a Liverpool team who, while they were the best they have been since the 80s, were still not that good compared to Eto'o who played for a Barcelona team that scored for fun). They were all very good in that time period, obviously, but Torres and Villa were better than Eto'o and a debate could be made for which was the better as they were both incredible but personally i'd plump for Torres being better as he did it in a higher quality league. Torres: In the 07-08 season he scored 33 goals in all competitions (at just about a goal every 90 minutes he played). In the Summer of 08 he led Spain to the Euro 2008 title while scoring the winning (and only) goal in the final. In the 08-09 season he was unfortunately injured a fair bit but still scored 17 goals in all competitions. In the 09-10 season he scored 22 goals in all competitions. Total of 72 goals in 114 games over those 3 seasons. [That's a goal every 1.58 games]. Eto'o: Scored 18 goals in 28 games in the 07-08 season. Scored 36 goals in 52 games in the 08-09 season. Scored 16 goals in 48 games in the 09-10 season. Total of 70 goals in 128 games over those 3 seasons (for a far better team in a much easier league). [That's a goal every 1.83 games]. Villa: Scored 22 goals in 40 games in the 07-08 season. Scored 31 goals in 43 games in the 08-09 season. Scored 28 goals in 45 games in the 09-10 season. Total of 81 goals in 128 games over those 3 seasons. [That's a goal every 1.58 games]. So as you can see stats-wise Torres scored as many goals per game as Villa and they were both markedly better than Eto'o (who was playing for a ridiculously good team).

Maybe not that realistic, but it has to be a desire and an aim of his.

Alderweireld would be a great signing who could one day be a great player for the club. If we signed him in a trade for Luis we would then have this (N.B i'm not happy with Azpi at LB but Jose if never going to drop Ivan so i've just come to accept Azpi as a LB): 1st: ---Ivanovic---Aldeweireld---Terry---Azpi--- 2nd: ---Kalas/Omeruo/Christensen---Zouma---Cahill---Ake--- Moving on to when Terry retires (HAS to be at the end of this season, he can't keep being this good forever can he?) and Ivan's legs run out: 1st: ---Azpi---Aldeweireld---Zouma---New LB--- 2nd: ---New RB---Omeruo---Kalas---Ake--- See? All worked out . I think he'd fit really well and give us a young player who has proven himself at many levels and has a lot of experience for someone his age.

It's more Trophies and More money vs A hell of a lot more playing time and so more chance to play for England.

If we have to sell Cech to Arsenal then getting Ox in return would be the best course of action. Would be a great signing - he's young, English and actually relatively underrated. Hopefully his injuries would be behind him once Eva got a hold of him!

Thanks for the votes everyone. Glad WHS won over me, he very much deserves it . Thanks for voting me into a close 2nd though all .

A very good point and excellent news. Worked well for us last season to get our hardest games out of the way as early as possible, we don't want them in the run in.

If they get 2 of a) A Top Class DM, A Top Class GK or c) A Top Class CB then yes. But otherwise I don't think they can match up to us or City.

What in the christ has happened here? Suddenly people who are usually so level headed (Mak, Choulo) are losing their freaking minds?!?! Look everyone, if Remy leaves then yes that would be disappointing as he's a more trusted player. But if he leaves then it will have been his choice before this. If he wants to leave for first team football then I guess we have to accept that, but he would have wanted to leave in that case whether or not Falcao signed as he's definitely behind Costa in the pecking order. So this transfer will have nothing to do with Falcao, whether Remy leaves or not. Falcao is still a good player. If you watched his performances last season then you'd see that he was severely handicapped by LVG's moronic formations and tactics. Not saying hes anywhere near as good as he was at Atletico and Porto, but he doesn't have to be. As long as he's alright then he'll be a decent 3rd choice. Also, we have not signed him, it's a loan deal. We don't have any details about it yet but the suggestions that I have seen are that it is £4M with an option to buy at the end of the season for £35M (option to, we don't have to and 99% chance we won't) with wages that are around £175k p/w. For those kind of figures I really don't see what the fuss is about. If people wanted us to sign another striker then they would have cost much much more than £4M and would likely want high wages considering they'd be sitting on the bench as 3rd choice, if they even wanted to come at all!!! As for Bamford. Now, I have been one of the biggest advocates of this guy. I love the way he plays and IMO he's ready for the Chelsea team. BUT if either Jose doesn't think he's ready or thinks he'd benefit from a PL loan then so be it. Jose has obviously decided this well before deciding to sign Falcao, so this signing is not pushing Bamford out of the team as he was already out anyway. Whether Jose is right or not to do that is a debate for another time, but i'm happy to trust his judgement. So if Bamford has a good season at a PL club he'll be ripe to either be sold or brought into our team if there is a space. And the 1 year loan deal of Falcao means that there will almost definitely be a space for next season in our 3 striker system. Everything about this deal makes sense. Please think about it some people and actually read what I just wrote. It seems as if people are either having a moan for the sake of it or laying into him just because he's a big name player and just because of that it's giving people weird flashbacks of Torres.

Away games in 4 of our 6 games after CL games. City away in only 2 of their 6 after CL games. That could be a telling difference, especially if we get an Eastern Bloc team in our group and have miles to travel.

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Everyone needs to remember that Szczesny counts as home-grown. He came through the Arsenal academy so he wouldn't be a bad signing as a backup. Tbh if Petr chooses Arsenal i'll be gutted. But i'd take any one of Walcott, The Ox or Szczesny in a swap deal, that really wouldn't be the worst thing ever.