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Fucking hell. For the first time I've watched a game and not understood what the fuck a player was trying to do. Tired and cranky, so apologies, but the fuck Frank? I couldn't come up with a depressing adjective to describe that performance.

Anyways, live stream links guys?

You've missed the post I made when the lineup came out, but hey delusion's great. Anyway agree to disagree cause clearly tactics isn't your best subject. take care.

A slow and gradual shift to a 4-3-3, this is going to be bloody exciting. Oscar and Willian same role against Schalke , Eto'o drifting , while the middle three play have same roles as that against the Hammers. Looks set to be a huge scoreline.

Actually a lot of people did, but sadly none of them in this forum, expect Seb probably. Not derailing at all. I found the point over here, and was just trying to get across my view. Nope. Don't think he can in Oscar's role. Ramires's role maybe yes, but definitely not Oscar's. Juan has no previous experience in rotating positions with two other midfielders. You need a bit of work-rate for that too. Maybe if he's adapted, then a slight yes.

Gives it away when he says 'getting the ball out of pressure zones' . You can't even do that when playing with wingers or interiores . No one's calling you an idiot, or saying that what I or he said is the best opinion ever. Just clarifying the difference between roles in a 4-3-3 are, and the roles played by Mikel, Lampard and Ramires particularly are. Just cause those 3 drop deep doesn't really equate to a 4-3-3. a modern misconception.

Haha you thought Jose agreed with what he said just cause he kept on talking?

Oh okay you weren't serious about it then. sorry !

As Sebastien had said on twitter, a lopsided 4-2-3-1. I don't think you would call the formation we played against Schalke a 4-3-3. Calling it a 4-3-3 directly is a layman's term. Hugely different when you look at particular tactical duties. If you aren't going to call it 4-2-3-1, then 4-3-2-1 at best. Never a 4-3-3 when you have Eto'o drifting sideways to help Hazard make lateral runs and causing overloads in the middle with the help of Oscar. Also in a 4-3-3, Lampard and Ramires wouldn't have to take up central positions. They were often seen covering up in Mikel's zone, with Mikel either higher up or acting as a cover for the CB's.

wasn't an exact 4-3-3. Was still a 4-2-3-1 with a three player rotating profile.

Ah in a system where you don't need attacking work-rate then fine. Riquelme worked hard under Pellegrini though, didn't he? Playmaker wannabe? hmm, alright .

Doesn't that equate to the same thing though? Unless we are talking about the players alone and removing the tactical adaptability coefficient out of them.

Just waiting for Phil to say Mikel....

and also cause Ramires , Lamps and Mikel knew their roles perfectly well. When to drop deep and let the other one go forward, when to form a pivot, when to keep only one back, etc.

Pretty sure kill was a vague term just to express extreme anger. Calm down. He isn't bringing back the Sicilian Mafia to power.

Sorry then. Agree to strongly disagree.

. It's an obvious outright insult if you are a left-back and not allowed to play in your position cause a right-back is first choice. ​That's what I was trying to say by Jose trying to convert Azpi into a left-back . He's done really well, and would be an obvious first choice as the left-back above Bertrand ! Type of player that Chelsea needs then yes. That could be true. Preferences in the sense that Jose has a connection with a particular player which is not exactly professional, then I disagree. For me preferences come down to what they can bring to the team. Whether they will be able to play the way the manager wants to play !

So has Azpilicueta as well though. Right? It's clear he doesn't fancy/favor them. All I'm saying is that there is a reason behind it. It's not like just cause Azpilicueta , Lampard, Oscar or Ramires send Jose goodnight texts so he plays them. Sorry, but I just can't see Jose doing that. Especially on such a level. Either has something to do with work-ethic, tactical role or a long term plan as said before about converting a player.

There could be a difference from the Bundesliga to here. Players can be very different in two different kinds of leagues.

Work-rate really is a comparative quantity to the ones put in by the other midfielders. Not just the game, but training, as I've mentioned as well. Body language says a lot, but I can't judge that. Jose and his staff take care of training sessions, and surely it has to be a criteria for selection. Actually I would have preferred him in the game against West Ham. It was perfect considering that we had 3 player rotating profile. De Bruyne would have done the job well in Lampard's role. But there has to be minute details to the way Chelsea set up, which we can't be sure about at all. How many games has Bertrand played though? Azpi had quite a few games. Arsenal, Schalke, WBA ( down with flu, so memory might not be right). I have a feeling Jose is trying to convert Azpi into a left-back. Then we don't need to buy a new left-back . Ivanovic and Kalas as right-backs and Azpi and Bertrand as left-backs. I really enjoyed Bertrand's performance against Cardiff though, but there is an underlying reason as to why he isn't starting. Either tactically or physically, the same as KDB.

I just don't get the vibe of him leaving him out as if he hates him or something . He either doesn't fit in or doesn't have the work-rate the other players are showing . I really can't see beyond that . Azpilicueta looked quite solid on the left. Maybe Jose wants to convert him into an LB. It's true that Ryan is a natural left-back, but after a good performance like yesterday's, I don't think anyone would want to change those two positions in question.

I'm basing it all on how Jose's evaluated his performance in training. Due to him not having game-time, that's the only criteria. You can't say anything about his match performance cause clearly he hasn't played. IIRC, Jose praised Azpilicueta's training level in the programme notes right? If he has that, I see him starting. That's the only reason he's being held back from getting game time.

Could really learn a lot from Azpilicueta. Both were in similar situations at the start. Looking at it now, Azpi had a terrific game, while KDB was left out. All about work ethic. I don't see any another reason why Jose would leave him out. Considering we mostly played a 4-3-3 throughout the game, KDB could have slotted in without much of a problem.

Finally . A London derby's the perfect way to kick-off after the international break.

I think what he meant by saying master tactician is that Allardyce is one of the best in the leagues when it comes to hardcore English defending. You're seeing it in a different sense than he is.